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doubles checking - wght: 400 | wdth: 100 | slnt: 0 | GRAD: 0 | opsz: 144 #168

Open EbenSorkin opened 2 years ago

EbenSorkin commented 2 years ago

Looking at doubles the spacing of the lc seems inconsistent in 144 opsz 400 wght. For example the rounds seem especially intensely tight in cc ee oo vs. nn ss uu. I get that they need to be tighter than the flat sides but even when seen quite large the effect seems unsettled to me. The cross bars in e seem a bit dark. 1,2 units less would settle them down. The horizontal parts of a also seem too dark. 1 unit less would also help. The strokes in i, j and l feel light by 1 unit. The middle and top of s and S are too dark and too lumpy. The top of T would look more even with 1 unit less. The top and bottom of C are slightly too dark. The top of G is too. The stem of K is more potent than the diagonals which should get an extra unit of width. The stem may also be too wide by 1 unit. The compensation at the top of A seems to obvious and intense especially given the size that this is meant to be used at. The right side bearing of D seems loose given the spacing of B. R, P, J, U, and S seem too condensed vs the standard of H and the tone of the design overall. Similarly, the condensation of C & G vs O seems just a little stronger than seems to fit the overall pattern of proportion.

dberlow commented 2 years ago

The effect is settling to the type at 144. This spacing is common to both hand-set, and hand kerned type at this size, and the upper range of the typeface. Users can’t get the effect by tracking, so I think it is better than opening up all the spacing, which is essentially what the suggestion leads to.

dberlow commented 2 years ago

"The cross bars in e seem a bit dark.

fixed, by 2. thanks (assuming you’re talking at 1/1000ths?)

"The horizontal parts of a also seem too dark. 1 unit less would also help.

  1. thanks

"The strokes in i, j and l feel light by 1 unit.

At this wght, it’s not good to move them off the n wght, 1 unit is a placebo,

"The middle and top of s and S are too dark and too lumpy.

All 1 unit less, light shapes edits

"The top of T would look more even with 1 unit less.

Not a good idea as it’s essentially an alignment (EFZ).

"The top and bottom of C are slightly too dark. The top of G is too.

Is this appropriate for a 144 pt low contrast sans. Perhaps you are used to evaluating a font that does not need to scale down;)

"The stem of K is more potent than the diagonals which should get an extra unit of width.

"The stem may also be too wide by 1 unit. I decreased the taper slightly. The stem is the correct unit. I did not increase the ends of the diagonals, they’d look too heavy

"The compensation at the top of A seems to obvious and intense especially given the size that this is meant to be used at. It sure was thanks. Decreased the taper significantly.

"The right side bearing of D seems loose given the spacing of B. I see the B is less, but the white space = added slightly to B.

"R, P, J, U, and S seem too condensed vs the standard of H and the tone of the design overall.

These are proportional to the bodies of the 14 pt, and widening them slips towards a monotonalty in glyph width I avoid.

"Similarly, the condensation of C & G vs O seems just a little stronger than seems to fit the overall pattern of proportion.

This is how larger internal white spaces get evened out at this size.