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Contrast and design flaws #368

Closed ghost closed 2 years ago

ghost commented 2 years ago

the Roboto font will seem to have been initially upgraded into Roboto Flex, but it was completely ruined by contrast inconsistencies.

some letters are not designed in low contrasts. in bolder weights, the letter U is correctly low contrast, but the rest of them like A, K, M, V, and W are not and are like serifs with high contrast even if it's in low optical size, and note that I don't want to use and I'm not used in the YOPQ to tweak thin strokes anymore in general. image image Plus, letters with Vietnamese diacritics are too tight to fit into the text without complete line spacing tweaks. image The micro sign looks incorrectly italicized even with italics. image image

dberlow commented 2 years ago

Do you plan to use the 18point size in all caps at 86 point a lot?

Should the additional height of Vietnamese diacritics demand we scale the whole font smaller than the previous versions of Roboto to fit the diacritics within default line spacing? Also not sure what "complete line spacing tweaks" would mean other than increasing the linespacing when using Vietnamese more than when using other Eurasian languages with diacritics?

The mirco's correct italicization would do what differently?

Thanks for your comments.

ghost commented 2 years ago

Do you plan to use the 18point size in all caps at 86 point a lot?

Should the additional height of Vietnamese diacritics demand we scale the whole font smaller than the previous versions of Roboto to fit the diacritics within default line spacing? Also not sure what "complete line spacing tweaks" would mean other than increasing the linespacing when using Vietnamese more than when using other Eurasian languages with diacritics?

No. I don't use any optical sizes. But the size of Vietnamese diacritics seems large and the line spacing for it is too tight which makes it difficult to read. I would like to make the default line spacing be increased for letters with diacritics. And, the line spacing tweaks would mean in websites and software, you would like to tweak the line metrics up to 2.0 for good readability.

The mirco's correct italicization would do what differently?

The micro sign should be straight if unitalicized. and in another case, it should be slanted if italicized.

ghost commented 2 years ago

also, I would like to expect the correct low-contrast strokes like this, especially in all weights: 195570269-f4fd241e-7100-4177-ae04-43b1fa28118c-Recovered I also noticed that the Latin letter schwa looks too different from the Cyrillic one which decreases cap height in high optical sizes. the Cyrillic letter schwa should be equivalent to the Latin one. Thanks, man.

ilyaruderman commented 2 years ago

Hi everyone, I just want to comment on Cyrillic Schwa here: shortly, NO, it shouldn't be identical to the Latin one. Could be in theory, but it's totally correctly drawn and can have a different design — no harm here. thanks Ilya

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I would like to expect the correct low-contrast strokes like this: [image: 195570269-f4fd241e-7100-4177-ae04-43b1fa28118c-Recovered] https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/115700870/195614251-b33187aa-e822-4dd2-9b44-5b655fcf2d74.png I also noticed that the Latin letter schwa looks too different from the Cyrillic one. the Cyrillic letter schwa should be equivalent to the Latin one. [image: image] https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/115700870/195614546-9ffe5673-1ec3-4868-a94b-3a88bbb6c836.png

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