change the name from gittip to something else

[chadwhitacre]

The word "git" is somewhat problematic because of its association with GitHub and programming. The word "tip" is non-ideal because restaurant tips aren't really gifts. There's a ticket about changing the nomenclature we use from tipper and tippee to donor and donee (#136). This ticket is about rebranding the whole site.

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The best alternative in my (not large) stable is:

https://whoever.im/

How does that look to you? I think it's not bad, for a personal funding platform. I think it's pretty strong, actually. "Whoever I am" rolls off the tongue easier than "Gittip," and it evokes personhood and freedom. I checked whoeveriam.com, and unfortunately it is taken but unused. Meh.

A bigger deal for me is that with Heroku we can't use https://whoever.im/, only https://www.whoever.im/. That is, "[n]aked domains (also known as bare or apex domains) are not supported." They used to be called IP SSL and cost $100/mo, but that's now deprecated. Here's the details on why. We would have to choose, and my inclination honestly would be to leave the warmth and comfort of Heroku, in order to look more like https://github.com/ and https://twitter.com/. :-(

[chadwhitacre]

At this point I count +8 and -2 on OpenGrant.

[steveklabnik]

Tipping is a very common thing.

Not outside of the US. ;)

[jlkeiper]

@steveklabnik good point!

I just hope that the name OpenGrant will convey the micro-gift style that "tip" does.

[kennethreitz]

'Grant' reminds me of "pool of money, no strings attached, to do what you see fit with".

I know that's often not the case at all, but that's what pops into my brain.

[ironfroggy]

I like the idea that even if this use of "Grant" doesn't match what a lot of people might think, maybe it should be what they think, and OpenGrant/Gittip can change that.

[timothyfcook]

OpenGrant is very matter-of-fact... definitely the most obvious possible name, but not a shallow one. It's excellent that the Domains were available....

Its a good name for a broad appeal.

The only negative is it being perhaps TOO matter-of-fact...

[johana-star]

The problem I am hearing is grants are typically provided by govt or non-profit foundations...

I think the grant-like aspect of this that should be focused on is rewarding people and organizations for work they already do/want to do. Ie. "OpenGrant makes it possible for Steve to live his dream of writing open source full time."

On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Chad Whitacrereply@reply.github.com wrote:

At this point I count +8 and -2 on OpenGrant.

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[hansent]

bettergrants. Grants for making the world better?

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On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:22 AM, Strand McCutchen reply@reply.github.com wrote:

The problem I am hearing is grants are typically provided by govt or non-profit foundations...

I think the grant-like aspect of this that should be focused on is rewarding people and organizations for work they already do/want to do. Ie. "OpenGrant makes it possible for Steve to live his dream of writing open source full time."

On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Chad Whitacrereply@reply.github.com wrote:

At this point I count +8 and -2 on OpenGrant.

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[chadwhitacre]

Tipping is a very common thing.

Not outside of the US. ;)

@jlkeiper @steveklabnik E.g., there's a couple comments earlier in this thread about tipping in Australia. It's actually closer to the meaning in Gittip than the American practice:

In Australia, I tip when service is awesome. In America, I tip when service isn't absolutely terrible.

[kennethreitz]

openfund.org would be cool, if it wasn't taken.

[chadwhitacre]

Unfortunately, the plural is squatted:

• http://opengrants.com/
• http://opengrants.org/

:disappointed:

[chadwhitacre]

The only negative is it being perhaps TOO matter-of-fact...

@timothyfcook Do you want to make a case for this? Otherwise it sounds like you are +0.

[kennethreitz]

I say grab opengrant.org, available domains don't get better than that :)

[hansent]

I say grab opengrant.org, available domains don't get better than that :) agreed, even if your not sure on the name yet. I'll chip in $5 if you need money to register the domain (no strings attached.

Thomas

[jezdez]

I have to admit I had to look up "grant" but it does make sense to me now. +1

EDIT: actually I like OpenFunds better.

[timothyfcook]

@whit537 grabbed the domain just a bit ago, so we got it I believe.

I'll give opengrant. a +1

[chadwhitacre]

@kennethreitz @hansent @timothyfcook Yes, I own:

• http://opengrant.com/
• http://opengrant.org/

[chadwhitacre]

With @timothyfcook and @jezdez I believe we are +10 / -2.

[evenality]

I'll chime in that I'm accustomed to both forms of the term grant as meaning "strings attached" and as @whit537 mentioned with "no strings attached other than just keep doing what you've been doing." We can go in circles all day but as we intend to widen our audience we'll always have to deal with language, culture and ethnocentrism such as with the usage and application of the idea of a tip. What is least offensive to the largest percentage while explaining to the others that we are all about being "open?"

Maybe a spin on "grant" to sound a bit edgier: grantry grantery grantary

[jeromegn]

OpenGrant is great. + it's not tied to a technology.

[chadwhitacre]

Also, I am hearing .org. Anyone want to champion .com?

I would lean towards .com because open companies are not non-profits, and .com is sort of the default TLD.

[kennethreitz]

.orgs can also be used for for-profit institutions.

http://monome.org comes to mind.

[evenality]

.com and simply have .org (or any other gTLD you get) redirect.

[kennethreitz]

.org and simply have .com (or any other gTLD you get) redirect. :D

[cz]

Having worked in the nonprofit world for years, "grant" has the wrong ring to me. Something with "fund" feels like a better fit, but maybe that's just me.

[domenkozar]

I own openfunds.org if you want :)

[bradmontgomery]

I'm +1 for OpenGrant. I also looked it up, and it may be interesting to think of "Grant" as a verb rather than a noun:

As a noun, a Grant is

a sum of money given by an organization, esp. a government, for a particular purpose.

As a verb:

agree to give or allow (something requested) to, e.g. I grant you permission to give something (a right, power, property, etc.) formally or legally to, e.g. grant me a right, or grant me some property

You could think of it as:

• With this money, I grant you permission/ability to keep making the world a better place by doing whatever you see fit.
• I'll give you some money (grant as a verb) to use as you see fit.

[pfrazee]

to me, .org feels like the organization giving the grants; feels like the traditional model +1 .com

[steveklabnik]

I champion .org because even if it's not registered with the state as a non-profit, it functions like one. ;)

@whit537 btw I just picked up Capital II and III ;)

[chadwhitacre]

@iElectric Thank you! :-D Would also need .com, Twitter, and GitHub, and then we have the singular to contend with. Anyone else want to champion openfund[s]? @chrismdp, @hansent, and @kennethreitz have mentioned it.

[cz]

+1 for openfund(s)

peerfunded.com/org is also available if that resonates with anyone...

[evenality]

openfunds is lovely! But you're going to lose a lot of traffic(for first-time users) because of the pluralization. openfund has been active since 1999...I don't think it would go for very cheap if you needed it.

[pfrazee]

+1 peerfunded, +0.5 openfunds

[domenkozar]

I also own fundhub.org :-)

[jezdez]

Oh, OpenFunds.org! I like that better than OpenGrant.

+1 OpenFunds.org -1 OpenGrant

[ptone]

-1 for using the word grant - it is usually a 1 time thing, disbursed by an organization through a process of review and committee - not the ethos that has sprung up here. The word I'm thinking of somehow here is patronage - not sure yet how to work that into a domain name. Maybe devpatron - or openpatronage - not very catchy I guess. Other conceptual words here are pledge, backing, thanks - but OpenFunds is solid.

[chadwhitacre]

Here I count @jeromegn and @bradmontgomery as +1, and @evenality and @cz as -1.

In IRC I count @fijal and @yano as +1, and @bruceadams and @issackelly as -1.

Curent tally: +14 / -6 on OpenGrant

Furthermore, I count (including @jezdez from IRC):

.org 3 .com 2

[bradmontgomery]

fwiw, I'd also be +1 to either OpenFunds (funds as a noun) or OpenFund (fund as a verb).

[chadwhitacre]

I also own fundhub.org :-)

@iElectric, you are inspiring. :rocket: :cake:

I like fundhub.org. Anyone else?

[pfrazee]

+1 fundhub

[hansent]

+1 fundhub

[bruceadams]

+1 fundhub :-)

[joeyespo]

+1 fundhub

"Social funding" comes to mind thanks to Github.

[jeromegn]

In light of @ptone's comments, I also think grant isn't right. FundHub or OpenFunds is cool. +1 there.

[jezdez]

+1 fundhub

[chadwhitacre]

It works as a name. It rolls off the tongue. OpenGrant or OpenFunds is much clunkier by comparison.

There's no plural to worry about.

http://twitter.com/fundhub is taken. Is that you, @iElectric?

Fundhub.com is taken, since May 24, 1999.

[brandon-rhodes]

+1 fundhub

[domenkozar]

Sadly http://twitter.com/fundhub is not mine, but maybe twitter guys can help :)

[steveklabnik]

maybe twitter guys can help :)

They won't. :(

[chadwhitacre]

It's hard to get Twitter to intervene. I see it as the flip side of their free speech advocacy, and can't complain.