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standardize nomenclature #117

Closed chadwhitacre closed 9 years ago

chadwhitacre commented 9 years ago

We call them tips, gifts, and payments (at least). I think we should standardize on payments.

chadwhitacre commented 9 years ago

It's interesting that we have to appeal to 2 user types: someone that gives and someone that takes. Why are you here, in the tagline, addressing only someone that takes?

I'm actually addressing the Team owner, which, qua Team owner, neither gives nor takes, but rather receives and distributes. Gratipay's customer is ~hannibal:

chadwhitacre commented 9 years ago

Anyways, what about adding recurring in there? I think it's a good idea too add it.

Yeah, maybe.

tshepang commented 9 years ago

hm, interesting:

receive instead of take distribute instead of give

fair enough

mattbk commented 9 years ago

I don't think payroll needs to be in there either.

chadwhitacre commented 9 years ago

@tshepang

~alice gives to The A Team. The A Team (owned/managed by ~hannibal) receives from ~alice. The A Team (owned/managed by ~hannibal) distributes to ~bob. ~bob takes from The A Team.

chadwhitacre commented 9 years ago
subject verb object
~alice gives to The A Team
The A Team
owned/managed by ~hannibal		 receives from ~alice
The A Team
owned/managed by ~hannibal		 distributes to ~bob
~bob takes from The A Team
chadwhitacre commented 9 years ago
subject verb object
payment ~alice gives to The A Team
payment The A Team
owned/managed by ~hannibal		 receives from ~alice
payroll The A Team
owned/managed by ~hannibal		 distributes to ~bob
payroll ~bob takes from The A Team
chadwhitacre commented 9 years ago

~hannibal is our customer, and we offer him both payments and payroll.

tshepang commented 9 years ago

I've very happy with these 4 words. We should try hard to stick with them.

chadwhitacre commented 9 years ago

:dancer:

chadwhitacre commented 9 years ago

"Giving" refers to payments from the ~user's, i.e., the giver's, point of view. "Receiving" refers to payments from the Team's, i.e., the receiver's, point of view. "Distributions" refers to payroll from the Team's, i.e., the distributor's, point of view. "Taking" refers to payroll from the ~user's, i.e., the taker's, point of view.

chadwhitacre commented 9 years ago 
"Giving"        refers to  payments  from the  ~user's  point of view.
"Receiving"     refers to  payments  from the  Team's   point of view.
"Distributing"  refers to  payroll   from the  Team's   point of view.
"Taking"        refers to  payroll   from the  ~user's  point of view.
chadwhitacre commented 9 years ago

~hannibal is our primary customer. ~alice is ~hannibal's primary customer, and our secondary customer. ~bob is ~hannibal's employee (contractor, agent, co-owner, etc.), and our tertiary customer.

chadwhitacre commented 9 years ago

Okay! We seem to have converged, and I've deployed https://github.com/gratipay/gratipay.com/pull/3652, so with that, let's consider this ticket closed! :-)

chadwhitacre commented 9 years ago

!m *

chadwhitacre commented 9 years ago

These terms should make their way into a Glossary: https://github.com/gratipay/inside.gratipay.com/issues/243.

mattbk commented 9 years ago

"Teams" is still confusing nomenclature for people who are working alone. https://twitter.com/jelovirt/status/627178972460224512

chadwhitacre commented 9 years ago

We've started moving back towards "subscriptions" in some contexts at https://github.com/gratipay/gratipay.com/issues/3677#issuecomment-130799800.

webmaven commented 8 years ago

We can start a GLOSSARY.md file as part of this repo to collect terms and definitions. Thoughts?

rohitpaulk commented 8 years ago

We can start a GLOSSARY.md file as part of this repo to collect terms and definitions. Thoughts?

I think it'd be better to update what we have on http://inside.gratipay.com/big-picture/sa/

webmaven commented 8 years ago

@rohitpaulk I think we need something more like a shared document to facilitate the discussion of what the terminology should even be, as well as defining those terms, which would, once we reached a stable point, determine DB table renames etc., as well as provide the content for a glossary page on the site.

chadwhitacre commented 8 years ago

We can start a GLOSSARY.md file as part of this repo to collect terms and definitions. Thoughts?

We have a ticket for that: #243.

I think we need something more like a shared document

The .spt files are shared documents, no?

webmaven commented 8 years ago

@whit537:

We have a ticket for that: #243.

OK, moving discussion there.

The .spt files are shared documents, no?

True, they can serve as such within Github about as well as a markdown file.

techtonik commented 8 years ago

payment is not giving unless you pay what you want.

For payment you should have guarantee to get something in exchange (and governments protect and enforce this). For giving you can not assume you will receive anything. That's a big difference. Patreon is about giving, for example. I would not think about them as good as I have now if they were just about paying.

tshepang commented 8 years ago

@techtonik isn't Patreon about guaranteeing something in exchange? I thought each donation was linked to some project... e.g. a song.

chadwhitacre commented 8 years ago

@tshepang Not necessarily. They now allow both models, though from their marketing and site copy you'd think the pegged-to-something model was it.