Getgee

[gratipay-bot]

https://gratipay.com/Getgee/

(This application will remain open for at least a week.)

[mattbk]

@nayelo, thanks for the application, we're reviewing it here. This looks good to me, will approve next Saturday unless there are objections.

[mattbk]

Approved. Welcome to Gratipay!

[chadwhitacre]

I just discovered that this Gratipay account is also linked from a non-trivial (181K followers) Anonymous Twitter account. I was surprised to learn this after the fact. I would have expected this to have surfaced during review.

[mattbk]

How did you learn about it? Are you suggesting incompatibility with the brand guidelines?

[chadwhitacre]

I learned about it serendipitously from an unrelated Google search. I am raising the possibility of incompatibility with the brand guidelines, yes.

[nayelo]

Hi all. The link would not have appeared during review because this is the first I've seen it. I have only ever posted the link on a blog post referencing the project and the project's own website (both linked in the gratipay description) and the only donation we have from your site is from someone who emailed asking me how they could donate weekly (which is why I set up the gratipay account).

I clicked on the url above and found no guidelines. It is just about love, heart coins and gratitude as well as “sweetly idealistic” “unabashed optimism” and against "combativeness, divisiveness, intimidation, outrage, insincerity". Please tell me in what way someone linking our project to support it is against love and hearts.

I am concerned about new guidelines that may be again appearing on this second try to use your platform. If there is an objection to anyone posting a link to our fundraising, please show me where that is clearly written as well as any other guidelines we are expected to follow.

In the interim, I have asked everyone who supports us to link to Paypal or our own links instead of Gratipay so you won't be getting any direct traffic from them. I hope that clears up whatever guidelines are being violated.

[chadwhitacre]

Alright, so … yours is an interesting case, @nayelo. :-)

The brand guidelines that @mattbk and I referenced were actually relevant under our old review procedure, and are mostly a distraction here. You applied with Getgee under our new procedure, which defers more simply to our new terms of service. The relevant clause there is our prohibition against "Aggressive trolling or activism" (9.i.f).

I hope it's not controversial of me to suggest that you're an activist. ;-) The question is whether your work crosses the line into aggressive activism.

The best parallel case from our review history so far is Riseup Networks (#108). We ended up rejecting their application, because they market their service with conflict-laden language: "struggle," "revolution," "fight," "allies," "oppose", and "overcome" (https://github.com/gratipay/project-review/issues/108#issuecomment-158268185). Their activism was too aggressive for us.

Your Wikipedia page shows you to have fairly strong associations with Wikileaks and Anonymous, both of which are brands characterized by high-conflict activism. That gives me pause.

On the other hand, I find "The revolutionaries" to be much more nuanced than Riseup ("revolution" emerged as a keyword in our review of them), and much more compatible to Gratipay:

It is not revolution we need, another turn of the same wheel along the same path, it is resistance. Resistance uses the tyrant’s own power against them rather than strengthening that power by reaction. Resistance fights all forms of oppression and bigotry regardless of source by building and defending a tolerant society. Resistance to patriarchy is not feminism, it is removal of masculinism. Resistance to bigotry is not bigotry, it is diversity and tolerance. Resistance to capitalism is not unions, it is dismantling of the trade economy. It is not enough to weed, a new system must be planted or the old seeds of tyranny will instantly grow again.

More to the point, I don't find you using conflict-laden language to market Getgee itself.

Sooooooo … from what I've seen, I'm happy to have Getgee on Gratipay. :)

[chadwhitacre]

Closing again. If anyone else feels differently, please reopen.

[chadwhitacre]

slack, ftr