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A general-purpose OpenStreetMap mapnik style, in CartoCSS
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access no is hardly visible at all #3645

Open dieterdreist opened 5 years ago

dieterdreist commented 5 years ago

Expected behavior

render non-accessible roads in a way that they are not easily mistaken for normal roads This could mean start rendering the road later, use a very visible overlay, draw the road itself fainter or something like this.

Actual behavior

hard to spot, faint light grey overlay on otherwise completely normal looking road

Links and screenshots illustrating the problem

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23716692 (bridge is closed even for pedestrians due to supposed instability) screen shot 2019-01-16 at 13 23 32 screen shot 2019-01-16 at 13 23 50 screen shot 2019-01-16 at 13 24 00 screen shot 2019-01-16 at 13 24 10 screen shot 2019-01-16 at 13 24 22 screen shot 2019-01-16 at 13 24 31

kocio-pl commented 5 years ago

Would you like to make some implementation code for testing?

matkoniecz commented 5 years ago

use a very visible overlay

Note that this was the old solution and it caused problems with inaccessible roads, tracks, paths being more noticeable than accessible ones

Fizzie41 commented 5 years ago

On the subject of no access, or closing roads to access, I posted this novel a little while ago after experimenting, mostly _un_successfully, with the various options to stop traffic using a road: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2019-January/042109.html

Don't know if that belongs here or not?

xsuchy commented 3 years ago

I add that the access=no is nearly invisible on highway=path, which causes a lot of problems in the Czech Republic.

The local chapter of the Czech Republic gets occasionally request to delete paths in Local Protected Areas to preserve the area. The people usually tell the guards that "we go here because it was on the map". As reaction guards want to remove the path from the map. But that goes against "on the ground" principle. Because the path is actually there. Usually used by guards or wood keepers. But it is prohibited for public access. We put on such paths the tag access=no, but carto style (and some other maps) do not reflect this.

Some maps use red crosses over the path to indicate the closure for public access.

matkoniecz commented 3 years ago

Some maps use red crosses over the path to indicate the closure for public access.

We used something similar, but it ended with such path more prominent, not less prominent. In theory grayed-out rendering on zoomed out map and some red cross style on zoom in is possible.

(though note access=no foot=designed tagging used in some places in UK)