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Removed and missing sections from v1 #49

Open gryphonshafer opened 3 years ago

gryphonshafer commented 3 years ago

During phase 2 of v1, there were some section headers that contained no content, so these were removed. These need to be reviewed at some point to see if we want to add them back in with content:

Related, there are possibly some sections we want to add:

scottpeterson commented 3 years ago

I think the three removed sections are fine. I can't think of content that needs to be defined in a separate section. Stuff that quizzers/coaches have to do/not do related fouls, stage conduct, TOs, subs, challenges, protests---all covered in different sections.

Not sure there needs to be an IBQ/QM section. Is there something EXTRA a QM has to at IBQ?

Some definition of the IBQ MD is probably a good idea. Is there a MD section in the general rulebook? Do we need anything other than the reference to the MD as the final say on unresolved protests?

gryphonshafer commented 3 years ago

I think it could be useful to just be explicit in "Roles and Responsibilities / Team Organization" to state that teams are comprised of up to 5 quizzers and however many coaches, but it's not really a big deal from my POV to not. But I think it could be useful to consider what role and responsibilities a coach has at a meet that we want to stipulate in the rule book. Maybe it's nothing. Maybe it's instead some best practices for coaches.

I think there should be some IBQ/QM content, not so much for QMs but rather for their selection. Maybe it's a BP instead. I agree there's nothing additional QMs do at IBQ than they do anywhere else.

It's possible all this is just a bunch of BPs, though. Certainly, nothing we should care about for v1.

scottpeterson commented 3 years ago

We moved this to Leftovers and I think re-wrote it: (Within a church or between several churches on an unofficial basis) Any number from one to five may constitute a team.

There is a "selection of officials" section in Internationals.md

ZacharyTinker commented 3 years ago

I certainly believe we need to add a Meet Director position. , the position is created simply through the mention of the title and when they can/need to be involved

2018 Rule Book

Only a coach from a team presently seated on the platform, or the meet director may confer with the officials.

During preliminary rounds of tournaments, if the meet director decides not to break ties in order to keep the tournament on schedule, this will be permitted. If two teams tie for first place, they will each get first place team points and the other team will get third place team points. If two teams tie for second place, both teams will get second place team points.

The quizmaster, officials, and coaches will leave the room and attempt to come to an agreement. If no agreement is reached within 10 minutes, the meet director will arbitrate and determine the just solution.

The tournament brackets are based on three things: A preliminary round, an elimination round (at the discretion of the meet director), and championship quizzes.

When more than nine teams are involved, at the determination of the meet director and announced before the meet begins, there may be XYZ quizzes, following these guidelines:

ZacharyTinker commented 3 years ago

The coach position is also mentioned under Officials:

Team coaches whose teams are not involved in the quiz shall serve as answer judges and scorekeepers if needed.

A summary of their actions might also be nice, but also maybe completely unnecessary.

kclimenhaga commented 2 years ago

Rules Committee voted 10/04 to postpone any changes to this content. If anyone submits proposed wording, we will discuss that wording. Until that time, no changes will be made.

jswingle commented 2 years ago

+1 to @ZacharyTinker 's idea that there needs to be a meet director definition somewhere. But other than that, is there any other work which needs to be done on this issue? @scottpeterson @gryphonshafer

jswingle commented 2 years ago

@ZacharyTinker An idea that came up among the officials for this year's IBQ is the possibility of a Meet Director unilaterally deciding that officials will not follow a particular rule in the rulebook.

Technically, since the Meet Director resolves all protest disputes, it is difficult for officials to have any recourse if the MD wanted to do this. An MD is not going to have malicious intent, but a overly confident MD could make pronouncements they shouldn't, such as "I don't like the unique word required rule, so we're not going to follow it." So to help rein in overly zealous/confident MDs, we should specify something along the lines of:

"The Meet Director at IBQ is not allowed to change any rules, but has the authority to adjudicate disputes about the meaning or interpretation of a rule, including how it applies to any given ruling if a protest lasts for 10 minutes, and is also the one to make tough calls in unexpected circumstances where there are logistical barriers to perfectly following the rules."

"logistical barriers" e.g., the current rulebook says recording equipment must be used in all rooms. There is an issue open which seeks to amend this rule, but at IBQ this year, if we somehow stop having 3 usable recording devices, the MD should be the one who steps in and has to make the call that the meet may proceed despite failing to follow this rule.

This isn't worded very well, but hopefully you get my idea.

gryphonshafer commented 2 years ago

As an analogy: The Meet Director is like the Judiciary, whereas the RBC is like the Legislature.

jswingle commented 2 years ago

@kclimenhaga @ARMediting @jttower @josiah-leinbach @JoshJetto

This is the open issue concerning a Meet Director definition that I referenced in the meeting yesterday. Please feel free to advance the issue!