HIP 100

[alphaqt]

I have over 30 years working in the Wireless Industry. I would like to propose a long term structure that will align Helium with how real world wireless networks are designed and operated. I am proposing to initiate planning for "HIP 100" which would restructure the Helium network approach to align with the fundamentals of wireless networks which:

1. Provide consistent reliable COVERAGE.
2. Provide the highest QUALITY which consists of MAXIMIZING signal levels (RSRP) while MINIMIZING interference levels (SINR).
3. Provide the best user PERFORMANCE at the LOWEST cost which consists of CAPACITY planning based on SUBSCRIBER density and locations
4. Have a robust END-TO-END architecture which balances the CORE network, the RADIO network and the END-USER device performance.
5. Provides accurate LOCATION information about BOTH the Hotspot and the Devices. All modern networks today have GPS built into both the Cell Tower and the devices. LOCATION is fundamental to securing the network as well as optimizing the network and device performance.

Even though the current Helium network is a major advance towards distributed ownership and control, the current construct is not aligned with the fundamentals of Wireless design. For example:

1. To build a network, there needs to be a reward system for BOTH the HOTSPOT and the DEVICE. Until the network is built and device performance is validated, there should be rewards for buying and deploying DEVICES to to test and validate coverage. Validating coverage using HOTSPOT to HOTSPOT beacons is fundamentally flawed. This is NOT how wireless works. Base stations try to AVOID seeing each other to minimize interference.
2. The current reward system motivates hotspot owners to place their hotspot at the highest point possible so they can witness the most number of other hotspots. This results in drastically increasing SINR which is opposite of how wireless should be designed. You want to MINIMIZE SINR, because that is the fundamental of Cellular, so that the same frequencies can be reused and the CAPACITY and QUALITY can be maximized.
3. The current reward system favors hotspots that are in less populated areas and penalizes hotspots in dense areas. This is also opposite of the fundamentals of wireless. You need MORE hotspots in dense areas.
4. The current implementations of Beaconing is flawed as well. Wireless networks beacon 100% of the time. This maximizes the CAPACITY and ensures that the network performance STATISTICS are consistently reported to allow proper monitoring and optimization.
5. The current implementation does not have accurate LOCATION of the hotspots nor the DEVICES. In fact there are so few DEVICES that there is no DEVICE performance information. LOCATION is not difficult, using a combination of GPS at key Hotspots, Triangulation algorithms and WiFi to accurately and securely locate all Hotspots and devices in the Network. Without accurate LOCATION information, the network will never be secure nor will we be able to deploy a QUALITY, HIGH PERFORMANCE network.

Understand, that I am not proposing to "throw the Baby out with the Bath Water". Nor am I criticizing the objective of Helium to build a decentralized, ownership model. But we want to build a network that will actually deliver a service that is of value to a subscriber base of wireless devices. It is paramount that we begin this journey towards a working Wireless construct or else we may find ourselves in this predicament: "IF YOU BUILD IT - IT WILL NOT WORK" rather than what we want which is "IF YOU BUILD IT THEY WILL COME"

[gradoj]

I am pretty sure this is a troll but it is also just as likely that this is the only caliber of employee that telcos can keep.

1. Helium provides more lorawan coverage than any telco. thanks for mentioning we need coverage
2. High quality is also high cost. The question is what is good enough?
3. This sounds good but these are conflicting requirements so you are actually saying nothing valuable.
4. Another meaningless statement. Maybe you should do some research on the protocol. https://lora-alliance.org/lorawan-for-developers/
5. You want to mandate sensors have GPS? This is an IoT network and most sensors cannot require the high power consumption nor is it required. The gateways are fixed so GPS doesn't really provide any value. Please tell how it would increase device performance.

Numbers go higher than 5 not really sure why we're back at one...you can use both hands 1.If you had done any research at all you'd realize this has been discussed and rejected for years. Please recommend an incentive system to reward sensors that cannot be abused. Please research ADR which is built into the lorawan protocol 2.get antenna high and out of the noise and then reduce power. Why would you put it low in the noise? Again please see ADR 3.now i know you are trolling. take a look in any major urban center and say more hotspots are required. This is starting to sound like you are whining you aren't earning enough. 4.Please understand the current protocol before suggesting improvements 5.Again please do some research. Hotspot location is fundamental to POC the algorithm.

if the intention of the hip were good i am sorry but honestly the hip just comes across as sour grapes from an uninformed employee at a telco. Maybe do some research and come back with some actual detail and a little less arrogance and attitude.

[alphaqt]

I am not a telco troll - far from it But I can see that even though the premise of helium is a great idea - the lack of knowledge about how wireless works and the chaos and poor performance of the current network shows that the telcos have nothing to worry about -because you will never reach your goal

know that I really want you to succeed but you are in a ditch - I do really want to help - but if you don’t want help - best of luck - it will never work on the current path - because wireless is all about physics, math, and engineering - which has nothing to do with whether you are a telco or innovators like the Helium community. I have been predicting for almost 10 years that the telco networks will eventually collapse. I was hoping Helium was going to fulfill that prediction. But if you don’t want advice from people who understand the science you are completely lost and your ship will sink before you reach the promised land.

[alphaqt]

By the way none of your responses actually were what I said. They were assumptions because you don’t understand wireless. Wireless does not equal telco by the way. Wireless equals science physics and math. The telcos are businesses that have filled the government into giving ask the spectrum and they are fat and bloated and inefficient because Helium can’t get out of their own mess to take them down. Clean up your own house before you try to take over their house

[alphaqt]

Helium appears to be a bunch of gamers and crypto zealots who know so little about the science behind wireless. I could help you so much but you are blind to the flaws of the current system

[lthiery]

Helium appears to be a bunch of gamers and crypto zealots who know so little about the science behind wireless. I could help you so much but you are blind to the flaws of the current system

Interesting generalization for a well-meaning person. Your assertion of knowledge on everything wireless betrays you. Can you tell me more about how (1) beaconing is already automatic in LoRaWAN (2) every LoRaWAN device should already have GPS

[alphaqt]

To be honest I do need to understand how Helium works better. But the documentation is not consistent with all the rapid introduction of HIPs

My whole point though is that you can learn from people that understand wireless without assuming they are telco heads. My comments are clearly too broad to be of value. So maybe we should start with cross education. Teach me Helium and I will teach you how cellular works reasonably well but is controlled completely by 3 wireless operators. So you can take the telco technology but modify it to with in a decentralized ownership model. The only problem with the current cellular systems is cost and control - not the technology.

[alphaqt]

I see Helium struggling with problems that the telcos solved a long time ago. As Thomas Edison said, I start where others left off. Take the technology but add to it to fit a decentralized model. Because if you don’t figure it out soon Private 5G and WiFi6E will eat your lunch because they are not controlled by the telcos.

[Crisatian]

Ok

[alphaqt]

Know that IOT/Lorawan are peanuts compared to 5G which is where Helium is headed. And yes I know wireless 4G/5G well but IOT less.

[alphaqt]

And look at it this way, when have you found an ex Telco Head willing to bare all their secrets. So you should at least hear me out if nothing more than as a spy for you

[alphaqt]

And it’s been 12 years since I was a Telco head, so so I am cured from the cool aid that they drink

[cvolkernick]

To be honest I do need to understand how Helium works better. But the documentation is not consistent with all the rapid introduction of HIPs

Welcome to startup agility

[jamiew]

The HIP repository is not a discussion forum. Closing and locking