Position new windows tidily (stacking)

grahamperrin commented 3 years ago

All four edges should be within the bounds of the current screen.

In this example (following https://github.com/helloSystem/ISO/issues/85#issuecomment-753485065) the first window opened by Terminal is inappropriately offset:

VirtualBox_optical FreeBSD_02_01_2021_15_13_27

Probably related: #54

grahamperrin commented 3 years ago

I'll not raise a separate issue for this, but I believe that:

the global menu https://github.com/helloSystem/menu/ will need a Window menu for most windowed things

– exceptions will include palette-type windows (and, I guess, modal dialogues; accept that some applications will use them).

probonopd commented 3 years ago

Window menu for most windowed things

Yes, as part of https://github.com/helloSystem/Menu/issues/21. Question is whether it needs to be its own menu or could be a submenu or section within System.

probonopd commented 3 years ago

All four edges should be within the bounds of the current screen.

How to ensure that technically? I don't know. Also, I doubt anyone is using such tiny screen sizes anymore. I'd consider 1024x768 the minimum, 800x600 the bare minimum (visual annoyances expected).

grahamperrin commented 3 years ago

I doubt anyone is using such tiny screen sizes anymore.

True, it just happened to be so small after doing other stuff with VirtualBox.

grahamperrin commented 3 years ago

… How to ensure that technically? I don't know. …

I should expect a good window manager to ensure such things …

grahamperrin commented 3 years ago

https://github.com/helloSystem/ISO/issues/28#issue-757837396

The window manager has been configured to open new windows in a sane default location; …

Windows opening away from the main screen:

Shut Down dialogue opening away from the main screen:

Comparable, specific to Filer: https://github.com/helloSystem/Filer/issues/24

probonopd commented 3 years ago

I would like new windows to be positioned like this:

Is this possible in Openbox?

grahamperrin commented 3 years ago

Openbox

No mention of stacking at http://openbox.org/wiki/Main_Page or https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openbox but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openbox does describes it as a stacking window manager.

Indirectly via StartPage.com search results:

Using Openbox as a Tiling Window Manager (undated, probably February 2018)
https://old.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/6bxug0/tiling_options_for_openbox/dhqep3i/ (2017-05-18, archived)

Personally, no recent experience of Openbox; I do have some Openbox options in my sddm menu of desktop environments, but none of them work. YMMV.

probonopd commented 3 years ago

Tiling is about the opposite of stacking.. resulting in windows being opened all over the place, preferably in the corners (hence covering the important right-hand side of the desktop where the desktop icons are). Hence I am currently forcing all windows to be opened in the same top-left position but that is clearly not optimal.

Hence, reopening the ticket.

grahamperrin commented 3 years ago

Tiling is about the opposite of stacking …

Understood. Tiling mentioned only because some users might prefer to take advantage of the tiling capabilities of what's described as a stacking window manager.

Stacking by default: I did like, years ago, on the Mac. With the bottom right hand corner of a window never beyond the bounds of the screen.

grahamperrin commented 3 years ago

Given the revised title, would you like to close this? As a duplicate of earlier https://github.com/helloSystem/ISO/issues/54

grahamperrin commented 3 years ago

You might want a separate issue for part of this.

`0.4.0 (0D25)`

With the global menu on a secondary display, to the left of a notebook:

whilst waiting for a timed selective screen capture, I pointed at (but did not click) part of the area to be selected
after the waiting period, I began attempting to select the required area
eventually I realised that a window to an entire screen capture (multiple displays?) (not a selection) was on the wrong display (to the right)
I instinctively began dragging what should have been the title bar of the window, from the display on the right, to bring it to my main display on the left
what I wanted to be a drag of a title bar caused whatever was on the right to disappear
there appeared an empty Image Viewer window.

https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/192271/106390147-df967080-63de-11eb-985f-f18d4d6895c6.mp4

probonopd commented 3 years ago

Let's just say that multi-monitor setups are utterly broken for now:

Menubar does not cover full width of main screen
Desktop icons should be on right-hand side of main screen, not on right-hand side of combined workspace
Dock should not be in the nirvana

But neither of this has to do with the subject of this ticket, which is about "position new windows tidily".

probonopd commented 3 years ago

The Default Position on a Single Screen When your application opens a new document window, position it in the upper-left corner of the screen. Open each additional new document windo below and to the right of its predecessor. Figure 5-15 shows windows positioned on a single screen.

Source: Apple Computer, Inc., 1992, Macintosh Human Interface Guidelines, First Printing, November 1992. Addison-Wesley Publishing Company. ISBN 0-201-62216-5

viljamivirolainen commented 3 years ago

Openbox

No mention of stacking at http://openbox.org/wiki/Main_Page or https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openbox but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openbox does describes it as a stacking window manager.

Indirectly via StartPage.com search results:

Using Openbox as a Tiling Window Manager (undated, probably February 2018)

https://old.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/6bxug0/tiling_options_for_openbox/dhqep3i/ (2017-05-18, archived)

Personally, no recent experience of Openbox; I do have some Openbox options in my sddm menu of desktop environments, but none of them work. YMMV.

Zentile is a nice solution to make Openbox or any EWMH compliant window manager into a tiling wm. I have been using it with XFCE's Xfwm. https://github.com/blrsn/zentile

probonopd commented 3 years ago

Thanks @viljamivirolainen ...only that the intended behavior as shown in Figure 5-15 is "stacking", not "tiling" if I am not mistaken. So we are not looking for tiling.

kettle-7 commented 3 years ago

I should expect a good window manager to ensure such things

Yeah, well we're using Openbox. I'm not sure about multiple monitors but when it comes to positioning KWin is more like a "good window manager".

probonopd commented 3 years ago

kwin_x11 will do this nicely. Will be in some future version of helloSystem.

probonopd commented 3 years ago

helloSystem 0.6.0 should do "Position new windows tidily (stacking)" correctly now thanks to KWin.app. Please comment here if you think this needs to be reopened.

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