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HISPID Terms
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Substrate #14

Closed acvaughan closed 8 years ago

acvaughan commented 9 years ago

The current definition of substrate is ambiguous. It seems to refer more to the underlying geology of the collecting locality, than to what the specimen itself was growing on. At MEL, substrate has primarily been used to record microhabitat (it has mostly been used for cryptogams). MEL has recently added a separate field for geological substrate (i.e. the HISPID concept), and would like to be able to deliver both concepts. (From the minutes of the 2012 HISCOM meeting: http://hiscom.rbg.vic.gov.au/wiki/HISCOM_2012_AGM_Canberra_minutes#11._HISPID.)

HISPID definition: http://hiscom.rbg.vic.gov.au/wiki/HISPID_3#Substrate_.28sub.29

nielsklazenga commented 9 years ago

I don't think the definition is ambiguous so much as the term itself and therefore it has been misinterpreted by people who don't know HISPID (which is why the names of both the concept in HISPID and the concept proposed here need to be changed). I would like to use it in the sense of the thing the specimen grows on (or grew on: I try not to collect too much substrate), but not if it is free text that has to be concatenated with habitat, as I invariably already have the information already there and splitting it off changes the meaning. Substrate does not equal microhabitat, even though the field is often used for it. Microhabitat is habitat.

nielsklazenga commented 9 years ago

There is a concept for this in the Environment Ontology (ENVO), 'environmental material' (http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/ENVO_00000154), which has been suggested should be in Darwin Core as environmentalMaterial, but the vocabulary on it is inadequate (no 'bark', 'tree trunk' or 'rotten log', just 'wood'). I think the concept is just slightly different.

acvaughan commented 9 years ago

I just found some additional notes about substrate (from an ALA/AVH user):

nielsklazenga commented 9 years ago

Substrate information can be quite important, but that only means that it needs to be there, which it already is in habitat. A separate substrate field would be useful if it had some sort of controlled vocabulary on it (I think we covered that) and if it – not the field, but the data in it – would be available for all records for which it is relevant. A single herbarium delivering it for only new records won't do, but that is all that is going to be achieved by adding a substrate term to HISPID. The same goes for all other habitat terms mentioned in issue #23. In order for these fields to be useful there needs to be a plan to populate these fields for all records (where relevant), perhaps through a combination of data mining and crowd sourcing. We can't rely on the routine databasing at herbaria, as there is not going to be another AVH databasing project, and we should see the data in these fields not as primary data, but as interpreted data.

ben3000 commented 9 years ago

+1, with clear names for each, so that we can easily explain the difference.

nielsklazenga commented 9 years ago

Also for after ratification. Let's see if we can find someone (from outside HISCOM perhaps) to drive this.