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Expedition or collecting trip #8

Closed nielsklazenga closed 8 years ago

nielsklazenga commented 9 years ago

A field to indicate the expedition or collecting trip where a specimen has been collected has come up in discussions with FCIG a couple of times before and most recently in relation to Bush Blitz. Options in ABCD are //Unit/NamedCollectionsOrSurveys or //Unit/Gathering/Project/ProjectTitle. I'd prefer the latter, because it is under Gathering.

There is not really an equivalent in Darwin Core. In the new Event Core (which is currently an Event extension) there is a projectID element, which is given as a Darwin Core element, but appears to be not really. It is also an ID, rather than a name or title, so it might be better to create a custom element. Whatever we do, it needs to be delivered to AVH under the same term that FCIG chooses.

nielsklazenga commented 9 years ago

Added a placeholder element collectingTrip in the HISPID namespace.

AaronWilton commented 9 years ago

+1

ben3000 commented 9 years ago

+1, definitely prefer the //Unit/Gathering/Project/ProjectTitle approach.

nielsklazenga commented 9 years ago

This discussion has been picked up again, and I have been emailing with Alexis (FCIG), Michael and Miles (ALA) last week.

Darwin Core now has a parentEventID property in the Event class, which, because it is in Darwin Core, might be acceptable to FCIG. I have a problem with putting a name in an ID field, but I wouldn't mind putting a URL to the BushBlitz website, or preferably a page for a particular BushBlitz event, in parentEventID. This is what Alexis is bringing to FCIG. We can still use collectingTrip (or whatever else we are going to call it) for the name of the trip and for other expeditions that may not have identifiers.

ben3000 commented 9 years ago

+1 for a real ID (even a URI) over a name or some chunk of text for the content for the parentEventID element.

nielsklazenga commented 9 years ago

Hobart, 2015-10-20: change name to 'collectingTripName'. Example: "Bush Blitz Skullbone Plains 2012". Comment: "This is the name that goes with parentEventID". In the list collectingTripName and parentEventID should be next to each other.

DNAdl8 commented 8 years ago

Do we need 'Date Start' and 'Date End' for collectingTripName? There's two date terms in the Event Class but this refers to the date of collection of the Specimen, not the collecting trip dates? Sorry I should have raised this at the AGM but I forgot..

nielsklazenga commented 8 years ago

I think this is more a matter for implementation in individual herbarium databases than for HISPID. In HISPID now, if you want to deliver detailed collecting trip information, you'll need to deliver a separate Event record for the parent event (collecting trip). If you do that, eventDate and eventRemarks can be applied to the collecting trip. I don't think we should try to denormalise this. If people want to deliver more detailed collecting trip information than just the name in an occurrence record, for example an AVH record, they can use eventRemarks for that.

DNAdl8 commented 8 years ago

Thanks Niels, I suspected the existing date fields could be used.. Just wanted to put it out there..

DNAdl8 commented 8 years ago

Bush Blitz are happy to go with the proposed expedition names in the format Bush Blitz [year] [site/area name] – with no special characters in the name (hyphens, apostrophes etc)

nielsklazenga commented 8 years ago

I think HISPID is up-to-date with what is discussed here. It would be good to add the collecting trip info to eventRemarks as well, so we can deliver it in Darwin Core as well, but that is implementation.