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Mmmm, I wouldn't want to rely on Idle, even when followed by nulls, just
because I think that'd be too easy for a program to accidentally duplicate and
throw us off the scent.
I'm also happy to have a DTBscan plugin that offers different suggestions, but
I think autochoosing should still be the default. People can always use --dtb
as they've always been able to. Since *everything* else depends on it, I think
we should try to do the best thing by default and let people get on with the
real work, rather than offering them a choice each time. Perhaps that's what
you were suggesting? VolatilityMagic's lend themselves well to offering
multiple suggestions, so that shouldn't be an issue...
Original comment by mike.auty@gmail.com
on 22 Sep 2011 at 10:21
There are other problems with the current DTB searching algorithm in trunk. In
searching through the address spaces in utils.load_as() we guess the dtb as
described above. But in order to distinguish between a PAE and a non PAE
address space we have these two tests:
# This constraint looks for self referential values within
# the paging tables
try:
if self.obj_vm.pae:
pde_base = 0xc0600000
pd = self.obj_vm.get_pdpte(0) & 0xffffffffff000
else:
pde_base = 0xc0300000
pd = self.obj_vm.dtb
if (self.obj_vm.vtop(pde_base) == pd):
yield True
raise StopIteration
except addrspace.ASAssertionError, _e:
pass
debug.debug("Failed to pass the Moyix Valid IA32 AS test", 3)
# This constraint verifies that _KUSER_ SHARED_DATA is shared
# between user and kernel address spaces.
if (self.obj_vm.vtop(0xffdf0000)) == (self.obj_vm.vtop(0x7ffe0000)):
if self.obj_vm.vtop(0xffdf0000) != None:
yield True
raise StopIteration
debug.debug("Failed to pass the labarum_x Valid IA32 AS test", 3)
These numbers seem to be chosen specifically for some versions of windows. I am
not confident this check will pass on other operating systems at all. We would
need to constantly test these numbers between profiles which is a maintenance
headache.
For windows a more reliable way of verifying the sanity of the AS is to reflect
through it using the well known list reflection method. (We use this in many
places already). If the AS is incorrect we will be unable to reflect correctly.
So in reality the check is more than just for a constant string "Idle\x00...",
because those hits are further filtered by DTB verification. This
implementation can also look for another process name other than Idle (but it
must be a kernel process).
http://code.google.com/p/volatility/source/browse/branches/scudette/volatility/p
lugins/windows/common.py#63
Original comment by scude...@gmail.com
on 4 Mar 2012 at 1:10
Original comment by mike.auty@gmail.com
on 4 Mar 2012 at 1:18
Which operating systems does this check fail on?
Original comment by jamie.l...@gmail.com
on 4 Mar 2012 at 9:47
Well this check is specifically for 32 bit operating systems. It is
specifically designed to distinguish between the PAE and non PAE variants.
Actually the 64 bit AS specifies a check of AMD64ValidAS but I dont think this
is actually defined or implemented - so there is little checking of validity in
64 bits.
I am just suggesting this alternate check because IMHO its more intuitive and
clear to understand, and is also implemented equally on 64 bit systems.
I guess the current method is good enough if slightly magical, providing we are confident the 64 bit address spaces do not need checking.
Original comment by scude...@gmail.com
on 4 Mar 2012 at 9:58
Original comment by mike.auty@gmail.com
on 10 Mar 2012 at 10:54
Analysis of the DTB detection is going to be required for auto-selection of
profiles, so I'm just adding this issue to the 2.2.x milestone.
Original comment by michael.hale@gmail.com
on 13 Jun 2012 at 2:41
Original comment by michael.hale@gmail.com
on 26 Aug 2012 at 5:35
Original comment by michael.hale@gmail.com
on 1 Feb 2013 at 4:37
Original comment by jamie.l...@gmail.com
on 6 Jan 2014 at 7:09
Given that AMD64ValidAS is now implemented, and working models exist for PAE vs
non-PAE for other OS besides windows, this isn't a required change. Also since
we have psscan to find all processes regardless of their name, we don't need a
DTBScan plugin that lets users specify a name. For antiforensics attacks that
manipulate the "Idle" or "System" strings, we can always fall back to the --dtb
option, since that's what its there for.
Original comment by michael.hale@gmail.com
on 7 Mar 2014 at 6:39
Original issue reported on code.google.com by
scude...@google.com
on 22 Sep 2011 at 1:21