Homekit Secure Video

[TechRemarker]

In June, Apple announced the upcoming Homekit Secure Video feature where all video will also be backed up in iCloud. While I assume it will have to be finalized before we know for sure, but in theory will this plugin be able to support that, or do we think that feature will only work with manufacturer's working directly with Apple?

[IRONROCK20]

+1 It could be really cool!

[netRunner0]

News? @KhaosT 😉

[IRONROCK20]

Yeah!!! That could be fantastic!

[saschawerner]

From the screenshots so far, it requires a certified device.

[peros550]

Any news on this hot topic ?

[Velkas]

Count me in for interest on this.

[iRayanKhan]

Ok so here's my theory for why this isn't going toe implemented soon. When you submit feedback for HomeKit in the feedback app (beta OS testers), it asks if you are in the HomeKit Beta Program for either TV's or one other thing. So far HomeKit Secure Video is not an option, but it has always been updated as soon as a new HomeKit feature has been announced/Ready to Test. Routers aren't on there either so I guess it may be a while for it to be open. Maybe it will be limited to first party HomeKit accessories due to the "HomeKit Chip" to make it secure. Just a theory, but corrected me if I'm wrong or have any other plausible theories.

[ageorgios]

iOS 13.2 is released with HomeKit Secure Video feature

[petergeneric]

The latest HAP (Non-Commercial) documentation (R2) still has no reference to HomeKit Secure Video

[netRunner0]

By the way, I found there the on / off characteristics of the night mode for the camera. Is it possible to add, in the form of transmission via mqtt/http?

[roysbike]

+1

[roysbike]

The latest HAP (Non-Commercial) documentation (R2) still has no reference to HomeKit Secure Video HAP-Specification-Non-Commercial-Version.pdf

[mihailescu2m]

logitech circle 2 updated with secure video support

[iuliusmaximilian]

+1

[mikesalz]

Following...

[netRunner0]

Hap nodejs updated and now supports… When to wait for support here?)

[jankais3r]

Hap nodejs updated and now supports… When to wait for support here?)

HAP does not support Secure Video yet. See here.

[Vannixxo]

Following this

[iRayanKhan]

I had a theory that only 1st party HomeKit accessories (verified and certified ones) would only be getting support for HomeKit secure video, due to the HomeKit chip, (I don't know if all the cameras have the chip). But, Hap does seem to have added HKSV characteristics, but not the full back end or logic of it. I suggested in homebridge-video-doorbell to use the HomeKit accessory Simulator in the latest version of Xcode to see if the simulator could provide any tips.

[mihailescu2m]

good news! https://github.com/KhaosT/HAP-NodeJS/issues/741#issuecomment-573441082

[iRayanKhan]

Thank you for that link!

[mikeavdeev]

So what does it mean for this plugin and for us?

[iRayanKhan]

@mikeavdeev That HomeKit Secure Video may be coming to this plugin, and we can view the past and notifications and get motion detection. Search up HomeKit Secure Video demo on YouTube or something and that's what we'd get.

[Vannixxo]

This is going to be amazing... we could get full functionality without the use of other workarounds for notifications etc., can't wait!

[edwardbattistini]

This is really exciting.

[TheRealGreatOldOne]

Is this definitely an upcoming enhancement? If so, is there an eta as to when we’re likely to see it?

[netRunner0]

It's time ...

[Vannixxo]

It's time ...

What?

[BBaoVanC]

It's time ...

What?

https://github.com/homebridge/homebridge/releases/tag/1.0.1

Added new services and characteristics for:

• HomeKit Routers (WiFiRouter and WiFiSatellite services)
• HomeKit Secure Video (CameraOperatingMode and CameraEventRecordingManagement services)

[Vannixxo]

It's time ...

What?

https://github.com/homebridge/homebridge/releases/tag/1.0.1

Added new services and characteristics for:

• HomeKit Routers (WiFiRouter and WiFiSatellite services)
• HomeKit Secure Video (CameraOperatingMode and CameraEventRecordingManagement services)

Thanks dude didn’t get the notification! Wow

[BBaoVanC]

I'm excited for what this brings... hopefully we can have virtual HomeKit Secure Video cameras and/or the ability to port 3rd party cameras to support HomeKit Secure Video.

[KhaosT]

Sorry to be a downer but as of right now, there is no plan to support HomeKit Secure Video. Here are the reasons:

• HomeKit Secure Video requires the device to support motion detection (or doorbell button), which doesn't really fit a ffmpeg based plugin. Maybe something that's more specific to certain hardware will make more sense.
• The functionality provided by HomeKit Secure Video is really limited (just clips from detected motion). It's hard to justify all the complications need to go through to support that.

I'm happy to accept PR if someone is interested in bringing HomeKit Secure Video to this plugin, otherwise unless the functionality get enhanced significantly in the future iOS releases, it's unlikely for this plugin to support the feature.

[mneumark]

@KhaosT But you have support for using a motion sensor to trigger motion detection. Couldn't you trigger off that?

[netRunner0]

@KhaosT Many cameras have different capabilities for delivering motion detection information: mqtt http Homekit motion sensor

I would implement (if I could) these features in the plugin, and users themselves will choose what they need

[toshibochan]

Look Samfox2 github have button and motion maybe can implement https://github.com/Samfox2/homebridge-videodoorbell

[codyc1515]

Just adding onto what @KhaosT said: It's also fairly expensive. In my country it's $16.99 a month to have more than one camera.

[mneumark]

I’m in the US. You only have to be paying $2.99/month for 200 GB of storage here. That’s not bad at all.

[codyc1515]

The 200GB plan only gives one camera. If you want more you need the most expensive plan. Even then I believe it’s called arbitrarily at five.

[snikch]

I don't think the expense is really the concern here. I want this feature because I'm already paying for the storage so it's effectively free for me.

[TheRealGreatOldOne]

I don't think the expense is really the concern here. I want this feature because I'm already paying for the storage so it's effectively free for me.

Ditto.

[iRayanKhan]

I just want it because I want to be able to rewind recordings in the home app. Currently no other way to do this without HKSV right?

[stcbus]

Yeah I mostly want it for the UI and to easily get pet and person notifications without relying on random services.

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I just want it because I want to be able to rewind recordings in the home app. Currently no other way to do this without HKSV right?

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[alexmace]

We have a 2TB plan shared between the family, so we'd get 5 cameras for "free"

[martijndierckx]

I really want this as well. The big added value here is that Apple will be able to turn random motion events (which might just be triggered by a moving tree branch) into real ones where notifications can for example only be shown when a person is detected.

[hazcod]

Does anyone know if HSV is part of the HomeKit spec, or separate? I’ve been eyeing out a HomeKit SDK.

[clinderwell]

+1 here

Any update on this one? Is it practical that this gets worked out - sounds like a lot of work

[hazcod]

Update: HSV is separate from the (free) HomeKit spec and only for commercial licencees..

[peros550]

Let’s hope they will announce something next week at WWDC

[clinderwell]

Did this get integrated or was there an announcement (maybe I missed) that enables this at WWDC?

[alexmace]

Why was this closed?