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Desjardins Credit Card #134

Closed YurkoWasHere closed 3 years ago

YurkoWasHere commented 5 years ago

Re-ticketed from #

Shared Description

:speaking_head: Loomio: N/A
:date: Due date: N/A
:dart: Success criteria: Have a credit card for org to easily pay bills with.

To Do

YurkoWasHere commented 5 years ago

Links/Notes

A way to pay your business expenses that includes:

https://www.desjardins.com/en/services_en_ligne/accesd_affaires/fiches_produits/fp_cartes_fiche_produit_ca.jsp


Application Process

(Info from the Online Account NOTE Cant be applied for online due to multi-owner/NPO)

Before completing your application, take a few minutes to read the following information:

Have the information you will need to provide on hand:

Important: It is your responsibility to review the accuracy of the personal information (assets and liabilities). ย  Please note that all our forms are secure and that the personal information you send is used only for the purpose of responding to your application. To find out more about Privacy and Security ย  For assistance while completing your application, call an AccรจsD Affaires financing products sales agent at 1 888 233-2473.


Cant be done online for us

If the company is owned by more than one person or has more than one administrator or if you are a non-profit organization (NPO), please apply at your caisse or at your Desjardins Business Centres.

Questions asked

Business card credit limit:

The Business card is a great way to pay for or finance the purchase of goods and services and effectively manage your business expenses. The VISA Desjardins Business Card entitles you to the following:

Accord D Business financing credit limit

The maximum Accord D Business financing credit limit is $100,000.

Accord D Business financing is a second credit limit separate from your Business card credit limit that lets your company obtain instalment financing.

You have two options:

Insurance coverage underwritten by Desjardins Financial Security Life Assurance Company. Only the insurance certificate sent with the statement of account is admissible for resolution purposes. Some conditions and restrictions apply.

benhylau commented 5 years ago

I think a credit card isn't absolutely necessary if we do pay personally and reimburse model on expenses, but I would be in favour of us getting a shared CC

YurkoWasHere commented 4 years ago

โ“ Do we want to apply for a VISA card at the cost of $60.00 per year

@hyphacoop/member-workers ๐Ÿ‘ or ๐Ÿ‘Ž or ๐Ÿ‘€ - Please vote If no ๐Ÿ‘Ž by November 2 2019 - moving forward

Dejardins Visa cost - $60.00 / year for first card $0.00 for subsequent

Requires Personal Credit Check + Company Credit Check - Depends on the credit limit

Suggestions credit limit: Total number of expenses per month x 2 months (because you have 3 weeks from the bill date to pay, until)

Must be done over the phone.

Turnaround - 4-5 day for visa to open an account + 2-3 days in the mail

patcon commented 4 years ago

:question: So it's a corp card, but they aren't intended to be "general use" -- they have one person's name (against which credit check is run), and only that person should be using it?

Sorry, I'm new to this.

patcon commented 4 years ago

Also, @uditvira raised in our call yesterday that CC seemed really helpful to have early.

:question: Lastly, if I'm understanding correctly that we just need one card for now, whose name could/should it be in? And will that person assist others in making purchases, so we can just have one card for now?

Thanks Yurko!

YurkoWasHere commented 4 years ago

So credit cards ALWAYS have a name on it Business cards look like

                  5149-xxx-xxx-xxx-xxxx-xx

COMPANY NAME
NAME OF USER

But when making online payments you use the NAME OF USER not COMPANY NAME as "name on card"

"terms of use" of credit card is named person on the card only and numbers are not to be shared.

Even when you add some one to your personal account ( like your kid ) that are issued a separate card with a separate number even though its not their credit being used.

Same with the "TAP" credit cards on your phone. It's a different number on there too.

In reality this is not always followed but its at the risk of the named party. If their card is compromised its on them to have to answer to it.

YurkoWasHere commented 4 years ago

I should point out that the other option is use your own personal method of payment and then just expense it.

benhylau commented 4 years ago

What @YurkoWasHere said re: CC is consistent with my knowledge. CCs are tied to people, and that person decides if they will pay for collective expenses thru it. @YurkoWasHere and I talked on chat to decide he'll get it, not me.

patcon commented 4 years ago

If we just have one person to be holder, I'd make preferential nomination of @dcwalk (if she is willing), just to avoid unforeseen privacy concerns yurko might have (which I don't fault you for, but would like to navigate around)

YurkoWasHere commented 4 years ago

Clarification questions

link to card info online

If the company is owned by more than one person or has more than one administrator or if you are a non-profit organization (NPO), please apply at your caisse or at your Desjardins Business Centres.


Rough CALL notes

dcwalk commented 4 years ago

We discussed at the Nov 06 all hands and those present agreed to the following:

patcon commented 4 years ago

@benhylau called and found credit card was declined because we need one year of history first. chat context.

Recommendation is:

  1. Get a personal card thru Desjardins [+1 from @dcwalk]
  2. Call to link it to biz account so we can directly pay the card thru the account

anything else ben?

created #todo to revisit

benhylau commented 4 years ago

No, that's pretty much it, and there seems to be a 1% cash back zero annual fee card.

patcon commented 4 years ago

https://www.desjardins.com/ca/personal/loans-credit/prepaid-card/index.jsp

Prepaid [personal] card: All the advantages of a credit card, without the credit

Is this the one ppl were leaning toward?

EDIT: Oh. Wait. So before, the conversation was about getting a card to build credit for the org. But since this now going to be a personal card, we're not going to be able to do that yet. And so then maybe we should just avoid debt instruments?


Additional card
Get an additional card (annual fee: $4.95/ card) for your spouse or children.

Proposed Actions

patcon commented 4 years ago

Turns out transferwise has a debit Mastercard for business accounts: https://transferwise.com/help/18/transferwise-debit-mastercard/2935775/can-i-get-a-transferwise-debit-mastercard-for-my-business

Not yet available in Canada, but I signed up f**@hypha.coop onto the waitlist via this form :) https://www.research.net/r/cardwaitlist

Thanks! You're on the list. Open your borderless account now, to make sure you're at the head of the line.

We'll send you an email as soon as you can order a debit card.

dcwalk commented 4 years ago

Had a very helpful chat with Desjardins folks RE: Business Freedom Solutions package, which is the combined Credit Card and Line of Credit (As well as Business Financing stuff): https://www.desjardins.com/ca/business/financing-credit/credit-cards/business-freedom-solutions/index.jsp

Was super straightforward about conditions for application and said it'll still require the year of history.

benhylau commented 4 years ago

Wait until one-year and get a personal credit card that is associated with Hypha. For now, focus on expense process.

benhylau commented 4 years ago

After talking with Rodica, moving most expenses to CC will save us and her a lot of time. Currently she references our spreadsheet and manually sort stuff into QB. Adding the following to top post:

YurkoWasHere commented 4 years ago

Applied for corporate credit card.

Timeline: preferably <1 week no more then 30 days from today

Submit via email:

Please send us the completed and signed form by email at credit.commercial.form@scd.desjardins.com or by fax at 514-397-9852 or 1-866-720-4210 (toll free). Weโ€™ll process your request as quickly as possible.

YurkoWasHere commented 4 years ago

We got the card, we just dont have the card. (waiting for mail man)

patcon commented 4 years ago

@benhylau suggests upping limit to allow ARIN/ASN payment https://github.com/hyphacoop/organizing/issues/329. added to todos

patcon commented 3 years ago

dicsussed in allhands today

YurkoWasHere commented 3 years ago

Called in - Credit limit increased

benhylau commented 3 years ago

Talked with @dcwalk the cwcf isn't on auto, so she will use new card when invoice comes. I checked it off.

dcwalk commented 3 years ago

recent call with them confirmed they moved to an online process for renewal and that should happen post-AGM. They'll generate an invoice to send and we should be able to pay with CC. So not a block on closing this issue