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Draft and sign IP assignment agreement #95

Closed benhylau closed 4 years ago

benhylau commented 5 years ago

Shared Description

:speaking_head: Loomio: https://loomio.hypha.coop/d/nzcgMHev/employment-agreement-and-piaa
:date: Due date: N/A
:dart: Success criteria: Draft, approve, and have everyone sign the an Employment Agreement with PIAA

To Do

patcon commented 5 years ago
benhylau commented 5 years ago

Re-ticketed #133 and re-scoped this issue to just PIAA, but left Loomio thread as shared. @patcon already had some discussion and I think it confirms what we need here. We need to draft and sign a per member PIAA.

benhylau commented 5 years ago

I have received feedback from @uditvira and @YurkoWasHere in agreement with proposal on loomio. I will go ahead and draft our PIAA.

@dcwalk I'd also like to hear from you bc I am most uncertain about your other engagements and would want to make sure you don't have concerns about the proposed language.

dcwalk commented 5 years ago

I read through the PIAA's linked and they seem reasonable approaches -- left a comment in Loomio. I think the areas that I'd need think about more are the "What the Company doesn't own" section as well as "Contribution of your IP to Company projects" (or equivalent sections).

dcwalk commented 5 years ago

Oh, brainwave -- why don't we ask friends who have startups here in Toronto if they could share a copy of their PIAAs? I think I have one or two people I could email.

patcon commented 5 years ago

Good call. Asked a friend at a larger local agency, if they'd be open to sharing their employment contract section dealing with this.

patcon commented 5 years ago

https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2017/12/18/balanced-piaa/

https://github.blog/2017-03-21-work-life-balance-in-employee-intellectual-property-agreements/

Note: I believe "PIAA" is just gitlab's internal acronym for their legal doc -- the github legal doc also has its own: BEIPA. And PIAA isn't listed in any acronym databases -- we're just talking "IP assignment contracts" :)

Let's just fork GitHub's?? (Disclaimer: have not read it yet!)

patcon commented 5 years ago

Heard back, re: local 80-100 person agency.

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also possibly of use to you:

When I signed it I explicitly excluded my personal and volunteer work with the a statement along these lines:

Further to the Employment Agreement signed on MM/ DD/YYYY COMPANY acknowledges and agrees that "Intellectual Property" does not include work related to the following ongoing volunteer initiatives:

  • [list of volunteer projects I was a part of when I signed it]

"Intellectual Property" also excludes: Self initiated projects that may be undertaken in the future for non-commercial, personal purposes, including, but not limited to:

  • [personal projects - I included things like design, art, writing, etc]
  • Hackathon projects

This list may be expanded from time to time upon mutual agreement, provided that any new initiative is not in conflict or competition with COMPANY's business.

benhylau commented 5 years ago

PIAA usage is not specific to GitLab but it is also called other things in different organizations, and not standardized. It's usually signed with an Employment Agreement for new hires.

Traditional companies (including all tech startups I have come across) usually have IP assignments that heavily favour employers, as listed here. A lot of the language don't apply to us, for example:

The language is traditional IP assignment agreements will be default to company-own, unless explicitly consent to by a director. This creates huge logistical burden to our members who participate extensively in open source work and other engagements throughout the day. It means every time we do a patch to an open source project we'd have to get it listed and approved. Instead we should use language that assigns IP only if it is within the scope of a Hypha project, defaulting to let member hold their own IPs otherwise, regardless of working hours or whose resources are being used.

While I agree that we can look at Canadian agreements for legal wording, we should not use those as starting point because they apply to single-employer employment that are incompatible with our relationship with members.

patcon commented 5 years ago

Given that (1) the UK law doesn't seem to be big on this (see thread ben linked), and (2) private corps have different constraints... then it seems USA and Canada tech worker co-ops would be decent ppl to follow lead of, if anyone. Does that sound alright?

cc @freescholar @mlncn (members of @agaric, who run a weekly international show & tell call from Boston). tl;dr - Do you have or know of any IP assignment agreements suited to the USA worker co-op ecosystem?

dcwalk commented 4 years ago

Comment from Nov 13: feels blocked, despite general agreement on way forward

patcon commented 4 years ago

Downgrading to priority one barring any concern from @benhylau (Flagging that might not be governance, but rather operations)

benhylau commented 4 years ago

Interesting difference between "contract of service" vs. "contract for service" here, the former is a condition for Copyright Act 13 (3).

This document should establish a "contract of service" for employees, but I am not sure if it can apply to contractors or we need to sign a different document with them for the IP assignment to hold.

benhylau commented 4 years ago

@hyphacoop/member-workers there may be some follow-up discussion of who we expect to sign this:

But the first draft is ready for review! https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qWGdFAGNA37lSYEfWa31WGpuYO3nRzuKPnPnMlyPFrs/edit#

dcwalk commented 4 years ago

Reviewed, I wonder if you could clean up some of the mass deletions (esp, at the end?) just to make it easier to read/review for now. Left my thoughts

patcon commented 4 years ago

If you'd like everyone to actively sign-off (and ideally read), maybe add todo and assign issue to them so it shows up in notifications? Assigning myself in meantime so i can get to this later

Suggested To Dos

uditvira commented 4 years ago

Updated the shared description to reflect tasks surfaced during March 12 BPWG meeting

benhylau commented 4 years ago

@uditvira the questions I have are:

I understand that employer-employee relationship is a "contract of service", whereas independent contractors are engaged in a "contract for service" relationship, and therefore Copyright Act 13 (3) does not hold.

  1. Is there a scenario where a contractor is engaged in a "contract of service" relationship and there is an automatic transfer of IP & copyright?

  2. If not, is the right step to sign an IP transfer agreement with the contractor?

patcon commented 4 years ago
  1. s there a scenario where a contractor is engaged in a "contract of service" relationship and there is an automatic transfer of IP & copyright?

My reading is that no, contractors cannot be engaged in a "contract of service", because that's the definition of what an employee is -- mutually exclusive:

"If thereโ€™s a contract of service, meaning the payer controls what type of work you do and how it should be done, you have an employer-employee relationship." ref

  1. And yes, signing seems right: My interpretation is that in relation to IP, it provides almost ALL the business's legal cover for contractors, and tops up its legal cover for employees.
benhylau commented 4 years ago

Good resource: Employee vs Contractor: A Mini Guide for Canadian Small Businesses

benhylau commented 4 years ago

I have updated the Agreement to add language for IP assignment to the Co-operative for people under contract for service, based on my understanding of:

benhylau commented 4 years ago

The document is ready for review. I believe all open issues are handled in the current copy, and it is intended to handle any employment relationship (contract of/for service) that is of an individual person, domestic or foreign.

What this is NOT intended for:

@dcwalk can you resolve the remaining issues. They should all be handled already but want to confirm them with you.

dcwalk commented 4 years ago

Reviewed and resolved most issues, a couple more for you to cycle back on. Very close

benhylau commented 4 years ago

I think it's DONE ๐ŸŽ† Will talk about this at All Hands and move on to signing.

benhylau commented 4 years ago

We'll try using HelloSign for this. Signers should not need an account.

benhylau commented 4 years ago

@patcon pls sign this, then this can finally close.

patcon commented 4 years ago

I'll leave the endorphin rush of closing to you ๐Ÿ™‚

benhylau commented 4 years ago

Thanks all for signing. This will allow Hypha to sign IP agreements with clients when we enter new projects that require it. Signed PDF uploaded to our Drive.