Closed benhylau closed 4 years ago
Re-ticketed #133 and re-scoped this issue to just PIAA, but left Loomio thread as shared. @patcon already had some discussion and I think it confirms what we need here. We need to draft and sign a per member PIAA.
I have received feedback from @uditvira and @YurkoWasHere in agreement with proposal on loomio. I will go ahead and draft our PIAA.
@dcwalk I'd also like to hear from you bc I am most uncertain about your other engagements and would want to make sure you don't have concerns about the proposed language.
I read through the PIAA's linked and they seem reasonable approaches -- left a comment in Loomio. I think the areas that I'd need think about more are the "What the Company doesn't own" section as well as "Contribution of your IP to Company projects" (or equivalent sections).
Oh, brainwave -- why don't we ask friends who have startups here in Toronto if they could share a copy of their PIAAs? I think I have one or two people I could email.
Good call. Asked a friend at a larger local agency, if they'd be open to sharing their employment contract section dealing with this.
https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2017/12/18/balanced-piaa/
https://github.blog/2017-03-21-work-life-balance-in-employee-intellectual-property-agreements/
Note: I believe "PIAA" is just gitlab's internal acronym for their legal doc -- the github legal doc also has its own: BEIPA. And PIAA isn't listed in any acronym databases -- we're just talking "IP assignment contracts" :)
Let's just fork GitHub's?? (Disclaimer: have not read it yet!)
Heard back, re: local 80-100 person agency.
also possibly of use to you:
When I signed it I explicitly excluded my personal and volunteer work with the a statement along these lines:
Further to the Employment Agreement signed on MM/ DD/YYYY COMPANY acknowledges and agrees that "Intellectual Property" does not include work related to the following ongoing volunteer initiatives:
- [list of volunteer projects I was a part of when I signed it]
"Intellectual Property" also excludes: Self initiated projects that may be undertaken in the future for non-commercial, personal purposes, including, but not limited to:
- [personal projects - I included things like design, art, writing, etc]
- Hackathon projects
This list may be expanded from time to time upon mutual agreement, provided that any new initiative is not in conflict or competition with COMPANY's business.
PIAA usage is not specific to GitLab but it is also called other things in different organizations, and not standardized. It's usually signed with an Employment Agreement for new hires.
Traditional companies (including all tech startups I have come across) usually have IP assignments that heavily favour employers, as listed here. A lot of the language don't apply to us, for example:
The language is traditional IP assignment agreements will be default to company-own, unless explicitly consent to by a director. This creates huge logistical burden to our members who participate extensively in open source work and other engagements throughout the day. It means every time we do a patch to an open source project we'd have to get it listed and approved. Instead we should use language that assigns IP only if it is within the scope of a Hypha project, defaulting to let member hold their own IPs otherwise, regardless of working hours or whose resources are being used.
While I agree that we can look at Canadian agreements for legal wording, we should not use those as starting point because they apply to single-employer employment that are incompatible with our relationship with members.
Given that (1) the UK law doesn't seem to be big on this (see thread ben linked), and (2) private corps have different constraints... then it seems USA and Canada tech worker co-ops would be decent ppl to follow lead of, if anyone. Does that sound alright?
cc @freescholar @mlncn (members of @agaric, who run a weekly international show & tell call from Boston). tl;dr - Do you have or know of any IP assignment agreements suited to the USA worker co-op ecosystem?
Comment from Nov 13: feels blocked, despite general agreement on way forward
Downgrading to priority one barring any concern from @benhylau (Flagging that might not be governance, but rather operations)
Interesting difference between "contract of service" vs. "contract for service" here, the former is a condition for Copyright Act 13 (3).
This document should establish a "contract of service" for employees, but I am not sure if it can apply to contractors or we need to sign a different document with them for the IP assignment to hold.
@hyphacoop/member-workers there may be some follow-up discussion of who we expect to sign this:
But the first draft is ready for review! https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qWGdFAGNA37lSYEfWa31WGpuYO3nRzuKPnPnMlyPFrs/edit#
Reviewed, I wonder if you could clean up some of the mass deletions (esp, at the end?) just to make it easier to read/review for now. Left my thoughts
If you'd like everyone to actively sign-off (and ideally read), maybe add todo and assign issue to them so it shows up in notifications? Assigning myself in meantime so i can get to this later
Updated the shared description to reflect tasks surfaced during March 12 BPWG meeting
@uditvira the questions I have are:
I understand that employer-employee relationship is a "contract of service", whereas independent contractors are engaged in a "contract for service" relationship, and therefore Copyright Act 13 (3) does not hold.
Is there a scenario where a contractor is engaged in a "contract of service" relationship and there is an automatic transfer of IP & copyright?
If not, is the right step to sign an IP transfer agreement with the contractor?
- s there a scenario where a contractor is engaged in a "contract of service" relationship and there is an automatic transfer of IP & copyright?
My reading is that no, contractors cannot be engaged in a "contract of service", because that's the definition of what an employee is -- mutually exclusive:
"If thereโs a contract of service, meaning the payer controls what type of work you do and how it should be done, you have an employer-employee relationship." ref
I have updated the Agreement to add language for IP assignment to the Co-operative for people under contract for service, based on my understanding of:
In the absence of an employment relationship or written agreement to the contrary, the general rule is that the โauthorโ will be the first owner of copyright.i This applies to independent contractors. Even after an independent contractor has been paid, a written assignment of copyright is usually required to transfer exclusive rights in the work to those who paid for its creation.ii Otherwise, the independent contractor retains title to the copyright and may sell copies of the work to other parties.
The document is ready for review. I believe all open issues are handled in the current copy, and it is intended to handle any employment relationship (contract of/for service) that is of an individual person, domestic or foreign.
What this is NOT intended for:
@dcwalk can you resolve the remaining issues. They should all be handled already but want to confirm them with you.
Reviewed and resolved most issues, a couple more for you to cycle back on. Very close
I think it's DONE ๐ Will talk about this at All Hands and move on to signing.
We'll try using HelloSign for this. Signers should not need an account.
@patcon pls sign this, then this can finally close.
I'll leave the endorphin rush of closing to you ๐
Thanks all for signing. This will allow Hypha to sign IP agreements with clients when we enter new projects that require it. Signed PDF uploaded to our Drive.
Shared Description
:speaking_head: Loomio: https://loomio.hypha.coop/d/nzcgMHev/employment-agreement-and-piaa
:date: Due date: N/A
:dart: Success criteria: Draft, approve, and have everyone sign the an Employment Agreement with PIAA
To Do