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Update DPT based on breakout group input #456

Open sjurl opened 1 year ago

neil-ices-dk commented 6 months ago

Proposed changes

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2023-28

DIG agreed to add these questions near the beginning of the survey.

xx. Is there a risk of actual, potential or perceived conflict of interest[1] associated with the provision of this data? Yes No Not sure, I require some assistance

xy. If Yes, please provide brief explanation stating what and with whom the CoI relates to. If Not Sure, DIG to contact submitter to discuss further.

 

2023-30

<![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       <![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>WKENSURE: In introductory text include links to ICES Data Policy (https://doi.org/10.17895/ices.pub.8883)</o:p>

DIG:

<![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>a)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       <![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Context will be better elaborated –the tool is generally for data and data products NOT part of the managed dataflows through ICES. This would mean that the ICES data policy does not apply, and therefore would be confusing to introduce the data policy at this point. </o:p>

<![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>b)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      <![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>For context, the Data Schematics collection link will be added to the right hand panel links on the landing page.</o:p>

 

<![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       <![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>WKENSURE: ICES technical guidance on the criteria for use of data in ICES advisory work (<a href="https://doi.org/10.17895/ices.advice.8346"><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>https://doi.org/10.17895/ices.advice.8346<span lang=EN-US style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>)</o:p>

DIG: the link will be added to the right hand panel links on the landing page.

 

Related to Form questions

Proposed new questions

<![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>         <![endif]>Which organizations have been involved in the generation of this data?</o:p>

<![if !supportLists]><span class=text-format-content>·         <![endif]>Which organization do you represent in relation to this data submission?<span class=text-format-content></o:p>

DIG felt that these questions divert too much from the purpose of the DPT, which is not intended for data submission, or the pipeline for data submission. Introducing these questions confuses the following questions. DIG felt that if the main aim of these question was to uncover CoI’s, then asking the CoI question upfront (that WKENSURE propose) is clearer and would therefore agree to this question, but not the above supplemental questions.

Existing questions

The order of questions 6, 7, 8 will be changed into 7, 8, 6.

6. This vocabulary is derived from the library vocabulary and therefore needs to be kept generic;

a) SIPG (library) will be asked whether they will consider developing a ‘non-biological’ categorisation. If this is not possible, then DIG together with ICES Data Centre identify an appropriate vocabulatry and adopt this in place of the ICES publications list.

7. Move this question before question 6

8. Move this question before question 6

14. add a citation format example.

a) This example will be added: ICES (2023): Input files for the OSPAR MIME 2023 assessment. Data Outputs. Dataset. <a href="https://doi.org/10.17895/ices.data.22133147.v1"><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>https://doi.org/10.17895/ices.data.22133147.v1<span lang=EN-US style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'></o:p>

b) The question will be rephrased into “How should the data product be cited?”

15, 16, 17, 18. These question will be removed from the form and will come as part of a follow-up dialogue to the initial response. These questions are quite specific and usually difficult for the person filling the DPT to answer without some coaching and probing. With respect to question 18, should ‘Data security’ be interpreted this to mean longevity of storage? Even so, very difficult for the profile filler to know, part of a follow-up dialogue.

20. The question will be rephrased: Where are the data product stored? à Where is the data product stored?

21. Flagging if no documents or scripts available that describe how the data product has been processed and/or collated is already in place as part of DPT evaluation process.



[1] A CoI arises when there is an actual, potential, or perceived possibility that a scientist or adviser makes a contribution to ICES work that is not based on a systematic scientific review of the available information and evidence. An actual, potential, or perceived CoI arises because the decision or outcome of a process may be influenced, or is perceived to be influenced, by self-interest, professional interest, external pressures, and other factors.” (ICES, 2022: 7). 

pcrjoana commented 6 months ago

I will implement these this week.

pcrjoana commented 6 months ago

@neil-ices-dk and @davidcurrie2001 can you name questions 15, 16, 17, and 18, please? This because the question numbers vary depending on how you answer. Eg, the data citation question is actually 15. I assume you want to delete the 4 questions thereafter, but I want to make sure before going forward.

pcrjoana commented 6 months ago

Found the questions in the WKENSURE report. Changes implemented. A copy of the previous version is saved.

neil-ices-dk commented 6 months ago

@pcrjoana the version linked to the website still says ver June 2022 - is this the updated one?

pcrjoana commented 6 months ago

Yes. I missed the ver part. Fixed now!

pcrjoana commented 5 months ago

Opening this up again because after working on the automated flow, I have questions regarding the agreed changes. From the text above it seems we agreed to remove questions 15-18. This includes removing the data license question. Are we sure about this?

davidcurrie2001 commented 5 months ago

Well spotted. I didn't realise DIG had agreed to remove the question about the data license. I think we should leave these questions in, although we recognise that people often have difficult completing them and might require further discussions with the DTP submitter.

pcrjoana commented 5 months ago

I will add them in again.

pcrjoana commented 5 months ago

Added the questions related to the data licence back in. Should we keep the questions about the data format out, or should I re-add them?

davidcurrie2001 commented 5 months ago

@pcrjoana What are the data format questions that were removed?