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SpecASFIS: Code CTL, probable wrong description #633

Open MariaMakri opened 5 months ago

MariaMakri commented 5 months ago

The ASFIS code CTL was in the vocabulary with the description Sepiida (order), and was changed in September to Sepiidae, sepiolidae (families)

https://vocab.ices.dk/?codeguid=83d27f5a-fa74-45fe-80aa-7e17fb3be284

In IC_species, the code CTL has still the description Sepiida. We traced back the ASFIS lists and it seems that the code always had the description Sepiidae, sepiolidae, so it seems that this was intentionally decided at some point, to use a more general description.

Osanna123 commented 5 months ago

@MariaMakri ask FAO for a new ASFIS for Sepiida (order). Leave the old code only for historical data. Communicate with WGCEPH if they will be happy with this solution

MariaMakri commented 4 months ago

We looked at the data in RDBES, and have seen that all countries except France which has used Sepiida, have reported data using either sepiidae or sepiolidae, without an ASFIS code. The UK has been using CTL together with Sepiolidae. Therefore, they can, in all cases except for France (we can ask about that) distinguish between the two families in the catch.

Therefore, I sent an email to the WGCEPH chairs, where I suggested that they continue to report data for the two families separately, when they can. They can then group them during their assessment process. One response was that:

Analysis of stock trends and tentative assessment is undertaken for cuttlefish Sepiida. As sepiolid landings in ICES are absolutely negligible, we take code CTL as the face value for Sepiidae. However, reporting of sepiids and sepiolids separately would be useful though I do not expect any major changes in our perception of the situation.

It is worth noting that 'Sepiida', only leads to the other two families and does not contain other taxa, which means that when they are using the code Sepiidae, Sepiolidae, this only contains the two families. https://www.marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=11713

Sepiida -> sepiina -> sepioidea -> sepiidae sepiida -> sepiolina -> sepioloidea -> sepiolidae

We can, nevertheless, request a new code for Sepiida, instead of using CTL.

MariaMakri commented 3 months ago

We should link CTL to both Sepiidae and Sepiolidae, but not Sepiida.