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@CiaranOD et all, https://community.ices.dk/Publications/dataflows/Shared%20Documents/4.%202020_Acoustic/DataFlowAcoustic.pdf is the link to the Acoustic Data Flow going for Accreditation and which should be reviewed by the Acoustic Governance Group. Please have a look and lets dissused this data flow in upcoming Acoustic Governance Meeting 10th of December.
Any comments would be welcomed in this thread as well before the meeting!
@HjalteParner - had a look over this and you have captured the process concisely. I think it would be a nice to send this link out pre-the meeting as a means to get attendees into the 'zone' in advance. Plus they will have their comments ready for input at the meeting.
@CiaranOD yes I agree. Will you send it out or should we get Karolina to do it for us?
@HjalteParner . I would ask Karolina- to be consistent.
@CiaranOD sounds good. I also intend to add some other issues :-) to the backlog tomorrow!
This is really nice and clear! Will this then be beefed out with the specifics of checks etc that should be undertaken in the different steps?
We didn't get around to reviewing this document as I got a bit carried away with the PBI discussion. My apologies to Joana !
We still need to review this Data Flow document to ensure it outlines correctly our workflow so this can be published. I'll circulate an email to the group with a deadline for comments.
We still need to review this Data Flow document to ensure it outlines correctly our workflow so this can be published. I'll circulate an email to the group with a deadline for comments.
and just for context, this dataflow schematic would sit within a publication denoting linkages to other dataflows, the context of the dataflow etc. just re-pinning the completed example for reference
Hi Neil,
I've noted this with the group for review and a deadline for comments. I think you were cc'd ?
Regards,
Ciaran
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We still need to review this Data Flow document to ensure it outlines correctly our workflow so this can be published. I'll circulate an email to the group with a deadline for comments.
and just for context, this dataflow schematic would sit within a publication denoting linkages to other dataflows, the context of the dataflow etc. just re-pinning the completed examplehttp://ices.dk/sites/pub/Publication%20Reports/Data%20Visualization/ICES%20Data%20Flow%20Schematics_No.1-VMS-NEAFC.pdf for reference
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Hi Ciaran, I'm writing my comments here. Let me know if you want me to send via e-mail as well. I'm signed in under my username: jmjech.
Best, Mike Jech
I think Mike has spotted some good issues with the data flow in his review, much of which many of us might not have spotted as we are perhaps too familiar with the processes described to see where they may not be described in a clear way. I will add my own comments using the same numbers as Mike:
No feedback as yet on this review but thank you for your input
@neil-ices-dk @HjalteParner
@pcrjoana please take a look at the comments above related to the draft dataflow and discuss with Hjalte - thanks
The revised data flow is an improvement. I have two main comments.
@jmjech
Hi Joana,
After review of the document, one issue was highlighted for editing:
Data Collection; The text reads: The survey group plans a survey based on the target species and stock assessment requirements.
This should read: The survey group evaluates the need for a survey based on a review of the historic data and stock assessment requirements.
The arrow should fork at the location where a new survey is needed (Yes/No).
Thanks and apologies for the delay!
@pcrjoana did you make the last changes and publish the acoustic data flow?
Hello everyone. I'm sorry for the late reply. The changes have been implemented, but don't want to add a "no survey needed" box before I get a clarification from @CiaranOD. Where should the "no survey needed" box connect to? If the dataflow stops there if there's no need for a survey, I think it's OK to leave as is, but please let me know how you prefer it. :-) Data flow schematic
Hi Joana,
Yes, Dataflow stops at 'no survey needed'. No further action is required.
Cheers,
Ciaran
Alright. Then I think it's OK to leave the dataflow as it is in the link above. Do you agree with that, @CiaranOD?
I agree with that @pcrjoana :-)
Great! I will pass it on to Neil then, and hopefully the data schematic will be published still this year. :-)
@pcrjoana, what's the status on publishing the acoustic data flow?
@HjalteParner content wise it is now fine (couple of small edits were needed); Joana is in the process of reformatting the diagram as it was one continuous flow and it needs to be broken into A4 chunks for publication. Once Joana has done that, i will publish straight away
@CiaranOD we now have an agreed acoustic dataflow, sorry it has taken a while to get this far. We now need some informational context for the publication - specifically some metadata which you can see in the example from the VMS dataflow (link and image)
https://doi.org/10.17895/ices.advice.7670
So table 1 is really the high level processes that this dataflow feeds, we can pretty much fill this and it can be as generic as 'ICES Assessment Working Groups', however if you have a list of specific assessment working groups directly using the acoustic outputs in their assessments, that would be preferable; the 2nd part of table 1 is denoting links to other dataflows, where the relationship can be either acoustic requires dataflow A or that dataflow A is required by acoustic. If there are no dependencies, then just note that.
table 2 is specific to the advice process and denotes where the dataflow directly relates to a recurring advice product. I imagine that if table 1 is filled in to show fisheries assessment WG's using the outputs for their work, then this would imply they are linked to Fisheries Overviews. We can also confirm this with the FO team once the WGACOUSTICGOV have had a view on this.
Hope that makes sense, and call me if you need more guidance. Thanks, Neil
@CiaranOD just a reminder on this one - thanks!
Thanks @neil-ices-dk Neil, we'll have a look at it and get back in due course.
Hello @CiaranOD any news on this one?
@pcrjoana in short no. If you want to have a bash at it we can review. Thanks.
@CiaranOD can we review this and get the tables sorted? If needed we can have a meeting to get it done. It would be good if this could be done before Christmas, so that we could publish this dataflow first thing in 2023.
@HjalteParner can you provide the dependency table asap as we will go ahead and publish this version; the governance group can then work on the next version. thanks, Neil
@HjalteParner have you provided the dependency table to @neil-ices-dk yet? If not, can you do that latest by Monday? I'm putting the schematic together for publication and that's an essential piece!
@pcrjoana the acoustic trawl portal governance group is currently parked as no chair have been found. This task will as such need to be parked as well or you need to reach out to the 4 survey coordinating groups WGIPS, WGBIFS, WGACEGG and WGIDEEPS
@HjalteParner we cannot wait any longer (3 years is long enough) and we need to publish a first version, even if it is not complete. Therefore, please do your best to complete the dependency table, and we can then bring it back to the group once a new chair has been found. Thanks
@odontaster?
@HjalteParner and @odontaster how are we on the dependency table? I'd like to have it by Wednesday this week, if possible.
@HjalteParner and @odontaster I made this as easy and painless for you as possible - please go into the link below and fill in the "costumers" section of the meta-information table (section 1), and also fill in the table regarding linked data flows, if there are any. It shouldn't take you more than 10 minutes. Please do this before Easter.
@pcrjoana can you please provide a link here to the published version?
@HjalteParner it is not published yet https://ices-library.figshare.com/pubtype_publications_data-flow-schem
https://doi.org/10.17895/ices.pub.23904465.v1
Linked also from Acoustic main page https://www.ices.dk/data/data-portals/Pages/acoustic.aspx
Part of a wider QA of advice effort, see example here
Currently, the plan is to have the acoustic dataflow published January 2021