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Rule Update. NOTE: Sanchez, Alvaro MR: Implemented in order to drive symbology to generate the "light halo's" for all-around major lights. If "No" should be a flare symbol; If "Yes" the halo.
Please notice that AUOC refers to lights with range =>10M and DCEG does not link the definition of 'Major Light' to any light range. It looks like, in S-101, Light Portrayal must change to halo irrespective of the light range value encoded when 'Major Light' is True. Do we need a validation check???
LightAllAround.lua update required. Need more information on "light halo".
NIWC – The portrayal details of the ‘Halo’ should be as per S-52 (see below) – Do you need further details? What specifically?
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Jeff – Tom– Would it be acceptable for somebody to encode: light range = 1M and Major light = TRUE ??? I do not think so. I believe we should create a validation check that aligns with S-57 encoding guidance (=>10M). It would be an ERROR so it gives the encoder the opportunity to review/ignore the message if erroneous (i.e. producing agency considers that 8.5M is a major light for the area and the portrayal of a ‘halo’ is preferred) – Your views on this please ??
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Alvaro,
I support what you describe, S-101 will remove the 10M value (although it will probably be used in converted data) so it is the major light Boolean which drives portrayal now. I think this will actually be a big improvement if producers apply this intelligently as the halos currently cause clutter in some cases.
Therefore, as you suggest validation checks should prompt producers if the range exceeds 10M and major light is not populated, also if the range is less than 10M and major light is populated.
I will raise an item in the validation checks Github for this.
Unrelated but are you attending the meeting in Bali in person this week? I leave Wednesday night unfortunately but it would be good to catch up.
Best Regards,
Tom
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Rule Update. NOTE: Sanchez, Alvaro MR: Implemented in order to drive symbology to generate the "light halo's" for all-around major lights. If "No" should be a flare symbol; If "Yes" the halo.
Please notice that AUOC refers to lights with range =>10M and DCEG does not link the definition of 'Major Light' to any light range. It looks like, in S-101, Light Portrayal must change to halo irrespective of the light range value encoded when 'Major Light' is True. Do we need a validation check???
LightAllAround.lua update required. Need more information on "light halo".
NIWC – The portrayal details of the ‘Halo’ should be as per S-52 (see below) – Do you need further details? What specifically?
@.***
Jeff – Tom– Would it be acceptable for somebody to encode: light range = 1M and Major light = TRUE ??? I do not think so. I believe we should create a validation check that aligns with S-57 encoding guidance (=>10M). It would be an ERROR so it gives the encoder the opportunity to review/ignore the message if erroneous (i.e. producing agency considers that 8.5M is a major light for the area and the portrayal of a ‘halo’ is preferred) – Your views on this please ??
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Hi David,
My input in Bold text below.
Only applies to LightAllAround Correct • I believe this is asking to replace the check for valueOfNominalRange >= 10.0 with a check for majorLight is true Correct o e.g., elseif majorLight and not contains(...
• I believe the other checks should be retained (halo is only drawn on non-aero/non-morse code lights) Correct • I assume if majorLight is unknown it should be treated as false? Agree o Or should valueOfNominalRange be checked? No o What if valueOfNominalRange is also unknown? Use flare not halo
The value 10 Miles of VALNMR has been assigned for LIGHTS in S-57 to specify major Lights, since there was no way to select such lights and to portray light “halo”. However, it does not mean that major light cannot have less nominal range in specific cases. I believe a chart producer should decide which light is major and set majorLight = true and an actual value of nominal range. However, we should continue to depict all lights around with VALNMR >= 10 with “halo” to support presentation of converted charts for DF mode. Therefore, the condition in the Lua file should be write the following way:
elseif (feature.majorLight or valueOfNominalRange >= 10.0) and not contains(categoryOfLight, { 5 }) and feature.rhythmOfLight.lightCharacteristic ~= 12 then
The value 10 Miles of VALNMR has been assigned for LIGHTS in S-57 to specify major Lights, since there was no way to select such lights and to portray light “halo”. However, it does not mean that major light cannot have less nominal range in specific cases. I believe a chart producer should decide which light is major and set majorLight = true and an actual value of nominal range. However, we should continue to depict all lights around with VALNMR >= 10 with “halo” to support presentation of converted charts for DF mode. Therefore, the condition in the Lua file should be write the following way:
elseif (feature.majorLight or valueOfNominalRange >= 10.0) and not contains(categoryOfLight, { 5 }) and feature.rhythmOfLight.lightCharacteristic ~= 12 then
I disagree to this. With the new opportunity for the dataproducer in S-101 to control the halo via the majorLight attribute, it is the responsibility of the dataproducer to make the right decition. For converted S-57 ENC's to S-101, an appropriate converter should handle the population of majorLight depending of the VALNMR value. The dataproduer then have the opportunity to change the converted value if needed.
Hi Tom and Alvaro.
Apologies, but because of high priority stuff I am way behind on emails ...
I agree with your assessment on this issue, however I think there needs to be some flexibility with this as there may be some lights (particularly in restricted navigable waters) that may have a nominal range of much less than 10NM that are considered by the local authorities to be major lights.
I will note this for possibly improving the guidance in the DCEG.
I agree that validation checks as you describe would be useful (as Warnings only).
Best Regards,
Jeff.
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On 16/05/2022 09:47, Thomas Richardson wrote:
Alvaro,
I support what you describe, S-101 will remove the 10M value (although it will probably be used in converted data) so it is the major light Boolean which drives portrayal now. I think this will actually be a big improvement if producers apply this intelligently as the halos currently cause clutter in some cases.
Therefore, as you suggest validation checks should prompt producers if the range exceeds 10M and major light is not populated, also if the range is less than 10M and major light is populated.
I will raise an item in the validation checks Github for this.
Unrelated but are you attending the meeting in Bali in person this week? I leave Wednesday night unfortunately but it would be good to catch up.
Best Regards,
Tom
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Rule Update. NOTE: Sanchez, Alvaro MR: Implemented in order to drive symbology to generate the "light halo's" for all-around major lights. If "No" should be a flare symbol; If "Yes" the halo.
Please notice that AUOC refers to lights with range =>10M and DCEG does not link the definition of 'Major Light' to any light range. It looks like, in S-101, Light Portrayal must change to halo irrespective of the light range value encoded when 'Major Light' is True. Do we need a validation check???
LightAllAround.lua update required. Need more information on "light halo".
NIWC– The portrayal details of the ‘Halo’ should be as per S-52 (see below) – Do you need further details? What specifically?
Jeff – Tom– Would it be acceptable for somebody to encode: light range = 1M and Major light = TRUE ??? I do not think so. I believe we should create a validation check that aligns with S-57 encoding guidance (=>10M). It would be an ERROR so it gives the encoder the opportunity to review/ignore the message if erroneous (i.e. producing agency considers that 8.5M is a major light for the area and the portrayal of a ‘halo’ is preferred) – Your views on this please ??
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It seems the way forward is:
Rule should trigger the display of a 'halo' only when majorLight = TRUE
Tom Richardson will add a validation check (Warning) to highlight:
It is important to note that the new portrayal logic will create display differences between S-57 and S-101 ENC
• I believe the other checks should be retained (halo is only drawn on non-aero/non-morse code lights) Correct
Shouldn't the check for aero / morse code lights just be a validation check as well?
I like the suggestion that the check for aero / morse code lights just be a validation check. It would make the portrayal simpler. In hindsight, perhaps if the attribute name were 'showHalo' instead of 'majorLIght' it would be clear what it is intended for and avoid the discussion about the definition of what is a major light.
Rule Update. NOTE: Sanchez, Alvaro MR: Implemented in order to drive symbology to generate the "light halo's" for all-around major lights. If "No" should be a flare symbol; If "Yes" the halo.
Please notice that AUOC refers to lights with range =>10M and DCEG does not link the definition of 'Major Light' to any light range. It looks like, in S-101, Light Portrayal must change to halo irrespective of the light range value encoded when 'Major Light' is True. Do we need a validation check???
LightAllAround.lua update required. Need more information on "light halo".