Questions about harcoded values in the class-balanced cross entropy loss function

[philferriere]

First, thank you for sharing your code with us. This is interesting work and I can't wait trying to reproduce some of your results.

I noticed that the way class-balanced cross entropy losses are computed here are slightly different from the "base" OSVOS implementation shared here where it is coded as follows:

def class_balanced_cross_entropy_loss(output, label):
    """Define the class balanced cross entropy loss to train the network
    Args:
    output: Output of the network
    label: Ground truth label
    Returns:
    Tensor that evaluates the loss
    """

    labels = tf.cast(tf.greater(label, 0.5), tf.float32)

    num_labels_pos = tf.reduce_sum(labels)
    num_labels_neg = tf.reduce_sum(1.0 - labels)
    num_total = num_labels_pos + num_labels_neg

    output_gt_zero = tf.cast(tf.greater_equal(output, 0), tf.float32)
    loss_val = tf.multiply(output, (labels - output_gt_zero)) - tf.log(
        1 + tf.exp(output - 2 * tf.multiply(output, output_gt_zero)))

    loss_pos = tf.reduce_sum(-tf.multiply(labels, loss_val))
    loss_neg = tf.reduce_sum(-tf.multiply(1.0 - labels, loss_val))

    final_loss = num_labels_neg / num_total * loss_pos + num_labels_pos / num_total * loss_neg

    return final_loss

However, for the lesion segmenter, the final loss is computed as shown here:

final_loss = 0.1018*loss_neg + 0.8982*loss_pos

For the liver segmenter, it is computed using the following formula:

final_loss = 0.931 * loss_pos + 0.069 * loss_neg

My questions are the following:

1/ Why use hardcoded constants instead of calculating the actual foreground/background proportions, as in the original implementation? 2/ What procedure did you use to come up with the hardcoded constants? Are those average foreground/background proportions over the entire training set? A portion of the training set? The training + validation set?

Thank you for your help with this!

[miriambellver]

Thanks for your interest! These values were obtained with the balancing strategy explained in the article https://arxiv.org/pdf/1711.11069.pdf in the section Loss objective. We tried several balancing strategies and this is the one that worked best for us.

[philferriere]

Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions, Miriam.

May I suggest that you perhaps make it more obvious in the paper over which dataset (or portion of the dataset) the class weighting terms were computed?

Re: "we tried several balancing strategies and this is the one that worked best for us." Could you quantify how much your dice score improved by using dataset-wide class weights instead of using the original per-image actual proportions, as used in the original implementation?

[miriambellver]

If you want to find the exact numbers of the comparison, they are in my Master thesis, in the section of Loss objective, there is a subsection of the different balancing techniques we used, and in the results section you can see the exact number (in Table 4.2). We used a validation set that we selected from the whole training volume of LiTS, in the thesis document there is also this information. We chose the first 80% volumes for training, and the remaining 20% for validation.

[philferriere]

Thank you for the link and taking the time to address my questions, Miriam.