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Requesting tag ban/ exclusion as the feeds are clogged with degenerate content #1596

Open tniromin opened 4 months ago

tniromin commented 4 months ago

Is your feature request related to a problem? Please describe. The site is flooded with too many degenerate content which makes it almost impossible to find something mildly interesting and not degenerate material even after scrolling for hours on end. The old exclusion script doesnt seem to be functional either. This is highly problematic for exposure of good indie creators where the tags such as Furry,LGBTQ,Yuri,gay and other degenerate matterial seems to be overrated as many uses stop using the site. [Sorry that these tags are associated with the said content, but this is an observation. Let us actlike professionals and keep politics outside the door. This is not reddit. We are developers, act like one.] Similarly, another problem is over-abundance of certain genre of games such visual novels which are often related to the degenerate creations and the horror genre which is also have too many contents. To make the discovery more efficient, this problem should be considered and eradicated.

Describe the solution you'd like Reimplement the old exclusion string and make sure that it supports multiple tags. Also might need to implement the exclusion logic which should be or in this scenario, if this logic is and the users will have to include all tags to exclude games.

Describe alternatives you've considered The old exclusion script which can be pasted on the url and not using the website was considered.

Additional context Add any other context or screenshots about the feature request here.

g-r-a-e-m-e commented 4 months ago

I recommend reviewing itch.io Community Rules at https://itch.io/docs/general/community-rules, specifically:

  1. Do not create posts about sensitive topics that may instigate argument While we certainly respect free speech, we ask for your consideration of others in the channel and in our community. Avoid posting material that promotes polarizing views about religion, race, gender, politics, or any other groups.

Your claim that there is an overabundance of games associated with

"tags such as Furry,LGBTQ,Yuri,gay and other degenerate matterial"

is discriminatory. Furthermore, insinuating that such content is a "problem" and should be "eradicated" is unacceptable.

Video games are made by people of all backgrounds for people of all backgrounds.

tniromin commented 4 months ago

Dude I just gave you the reasons cause yall have asked, its a filter not to remove. And im sorry to inform you that majority of the gamers are not into lgbtq and furry, I cant do anything about the truth offending you or your organization.

Again to filter, cause it makes the process of finding games easier. I hate censorship myself and I am not against people creating and posting their furry, lgbtq or pornographic games into the site. Its their right to express themselves. However it would be a good idea for users to be able to filter tags or ban tags (personalization features).

Additionally the previous filtering script doesn't seem to work as intended. Im sure I am clear this time and hope you will not get offended.

Regards

tniromin commented 4 months ago

Additionally this is not your website, and I didn't post anything remotely "offensive" in itch.io. I was talking about demographics and features dont make things political please, its highly unproductive.

tniromin commented 4 months ago

Additionally this is not your website, and I didn't post anything remotely "offensive". I was talking about demographics and features dont make things political please, its highly unproductive. Additionally before everything got political I didn't have any issues with yuri. Thanks to polarizations I have come to hate that genre. Im pointing this out since you didn't understand what I was saying.

g-r-a-e-m-e commented 4 months ago

"And im sorry to inform you that majority of the gamers are not into lgbtq and furry, I cant do anything about the truth offending you or your organization."

First, whether I am offended is irrelevant, and nothing in my response was political. Your statement on LGTBQ material being "degenerate" is an offensive statement to large numbers of people. According to the 2024 GLAAD Gaming Report, located at https://glaad.org/glaad-gaming/2024/,

"Our research with Nielsen this year found that 17%—nearly 1 in 5—active gamers are LGBTQ."

Second, I understood your issue - you want to be able to add specific tags to an exclusion string. There is nothing inherently wrong with that request. The additional, inflammatory commentary you provided as your justification was unnecessary.

Third, you submitted an issue using discriminatory language in an open-source community. That kind of behavior is not just antithetical to the purpose and mission of open-source software development, it is also deeply unprofessional. Kindly see the itch.io Contributor Code of Conduct at https://github.com/itchio/itch?tab=coc-ov-file#readme

tniromin commented 4 months ago

If your not offended great. Lets stick to the features. Additionally about the tags being related to degenerate material is my over all experience, It is not I who created, I simply saw them and ended up becoming sick of degenerate(suggestive,erotic or appalling) content which in turn creates a bad impression about the site. Im sure you find nothing offensive here? Or do you? Can we stick to the problem cause you dont seem to understand what I mean, and at this point I find it disrespectful. I simply expressed my thought process to help the addition of the feature.

tniromin commented 4 months ago

Your statement on LGTBQ material being "degenerate" is an offensive statement to large numbers of people. According to the 2024 GLAAD Gaming Report, located at https://glaad.org/glaad-gaming/2024/,

On average, around 80% of the people in the world doesn't suffer from gender dysphoria and is straight. Again, gender politics and political correctness shouldn't be forced into gaming or open source community to please an easily offended group of political minority, ruining the self-image of different demographics. Again I am against censorship, you can create and publish whatever you want, but it is my right to complain about subjectively derogatory content. Trying to gaslight me into believing Im the problem is whats unprofessional here. This research really means nothing to me, Its a rational observation that not everyone is easily offended. Im not sure nor care how the presented research collected the data. Please for the love of god keep politics outside the door, I have my reasons to not be politically correct. If the same happened to you Im sure you would too.

it is also deeply unprofessional.

Im sorry that you feel that way. Im talking about it in a design stand point, Im being as professional as possible but that doesnt include not offending people. Im sure explained everything in the first paragraph, but if you still find it offensive, let me know. I will attempt one more time to explain.

tniromin commented 4 months ago

Features:

Reason

Final remark: Thanks for wasting my time talking about political nonsense instead of features [Be true to the purpose]💢. I also don't have time to read researches on how people get offended, not my interests. I know some of y'all are passionate about social politics and what not, but that is the context in development. Let us kindly stick to the purpose. 👼 Please!

tniromin commented 4 months ago

Discussions https://www.reddit.com/r/itchio/comments/hvf2ma/why_is_everyone_on_itchio_trans/?rdt=33990 https://itch.io/https://itch.io/t/1172806/how-about-a-straight-search-tagt/2279329/why-is-this-website-so-gay- https://itch.io/t/160014/can-i-use-exclusion-filters https://itch.io/post/6783278 https://itch.io/t/443221/updating-lgbt-tag-to-lgbtqia

Conclusion

The problem has been going on for several years, i.e. over 6 years. The exclusion scripts have not been correctly implemented. Going through the forums, I discovered that there are people within this organization who doesn't want the normal gamers to be able to exclude all the LGBT(~Q(~Watever)) tags, thus it wasn't correctly implemented. The truth is that the implementation isn't that hard, considering that there is an exclusion string which strangely doesn't work.

proof1

As seen in the above illustration, when searched for story rich you have gotten a fury RPG, using the exclusion string does not work here. Considering the content in the discussion forums, the rumors does sound like it has some truth to it.

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This represents unprofessional behavior from the part of the power mods, it seems like there is a reddit problem in the forums as well. Removing the down vote button was highly unproffesional and childish. Locking the whole post cause someone insulted? However the take away here is

this topic has gone on for too long without any helpful conclusions.

The problem here is that the discussion had suggested and tested and discussed solutions. It is sad to see that the moderators have came to this conclusion when the implementation process is upto them

In one of the above discussions one of the users have mentioned that there are over 900k free games out of which only 4k is LGBT, However in all the 5 filters you can consistently find LGBT, furry or NSFW content frequently. People have different design tastes, but there are things that are subjectively found to be appealing to the human brain. I would like to discuss more, but this discussion would become increasingly political, thus no longer true to the cause. Humans do not like to see appalling or unnatural content, the whole browsing experience is thus ruined and the lesser known indie devs will remain unknown as the user count shift to a certain demographic.

Now since that is out of the way I hope we can simply implement the features instead of getting offended, finding faults, name calling, gaslighting or any other kind of unproductive behavior. This is merely a reaction and I didnt intend to waste my time investigating on something merely insignificant such as this. We could have simply implemented the product .

Regards, check the previous comment for features and reasons