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permission to use uTorrent WebUI #64

Closed GoogleCodeExporter closed 9 years ago

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
hi guys - just wondering if you sought and received permission to use the
uTorrent webUI code as a starting point for your project? (don't be worried
by my question, I just want to know...)

best regards
Simon

simon@bittorrent.com

Original issue reported on code.google.com by smorris%...@gtempaccount.com on 8 Sep 2009 at 6:24

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
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GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
No, i don't receive any permissions to use it. AFAIK, this is impossible - see
http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=51271
As result, if somebody from BitTorrent, Inc. (or Directrix as main developer of
uTorrent webUI) will have any claims to me - this project will be immediatelly 
closed.

BTW, last unstable version of uTorrent WebUI (0.362) contain *my* code (speed 
tab) ;)
And i don't give to somebody any permissions to use it ;) 
This is a joke, of course.

novik65@gmail.com

Original comment by novik65 on 9 Sep 2009 at 10:29

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
Я попытаюсь прояснить ситуацию у directrix (по 
почте). По крайней мере, получить
внятный ответ насчет изменения и 
редистрибуции кода. О результатах отпишусь.

Original comment by dfateyev on 9 Sep 2009 at 5:26

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
Насколько я понял (см. линк выше) уже 
выясняли. Краткое резюме - нельзя. Хотя
ситуация действительно странная - 
упоминаний о лицензии нигде нет; код 
разрабатывался
directrix-ом (котрый ни разу не сотрудник BitTorrent), 
а сейчас - и вообще не пойми
кем, даже я там поучаствовал; при этом WebUI 
считается собственностью BitTorrent inc.
Хотя с другой стороны, поинтересуйтесь - за 
спрос денег не берут.

Original comment by novik65 on 9 Sep 2009 at 6:54

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
i would be very disapointed if the project was shut down...this is by far the 
best
front end for rtorrent and rtorrent is the best client for *nix

Original comment by Wonslung@gmail.com on 10 Sep 2009 at 6:49

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
I'll get back to you soon when I've done a bit more research - I don't think we 
want
to shut your project down, although the licensing you're using at the moment 
might
need to be amended slightly - you can't just take our code and GPL it (e.g. 
maybe we
need to open-source it first) - more soon

Original comment by smorris%...@gtempaccount.com on 10 Sep 2009 at 6:59

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
>you can't just take our code and GPL

I agree. This happens because googlecode has restrictions for projects on it. 
Any
project on googlecode should satisfy with one of the license from that list -

Apache License 2.0
Artistic License/GPL
Eclipse Public License 1.0
GNU General Public License v2
GNU General Public License v3
GNU Lesser General Public License
MIT License
Mozilla Public License 1.1
New BSD License

As result, i can
1) Specify for my project some another license (from the list above)
2) Move project to another hosting, without such restrictions (but i don't know 
-
what i need to write for it in license section?)
3) Close project
4) Rewrite a part of my project, which use your original code (this is a very 
hard,
but possible, i think)
5) Something else? As you wish, in common.

>I'll get back to you soon when

Ok, i will wait.

Original comment by novik65 on 10 Sep 2009 at 8:26

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
6) State that all rights to uTorrent WebUI code, which is used in ruTorrent, are
reserved to BitTorrent, Inc.

Original comment by shasvir...@gmail.com on 10 Sep 2009 at 12:07

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
2shasvirnus - this is a really point 2, i think. Because projects with such 
states
can't be placed on googlecode. AFAIK.

Original comment by novik65 on 10 Sep 2009 at 12:19

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
if it DOES come down to it i think unfuddle has no such restriction.  I think 
they
will allow you to host any type of license. I honestly hope you aren't forced to
abandon the project but if you DO have to move I'll help in any way i can.

Original comment by Wonslung@gmail.com on 10 Sep 2009 at 2:02

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
Thanx, but will wait what mr. Morris will say.

Original comment by novik65 on 10 Sep 2009 at 3:16

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
of course man, absolutely.

Original comment by Wonslung@gmail.com on 10 Sep 2009 at 5:03

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
I did some research on this issue and even I did registered on utorrent forum
(http://forum.utorrent.com; btw, this forum works properly under IE only, I 
don't
know why it might be). The information I've found (
http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?pid=427107 ) gives me no results (I've 
got
the things that I've already know). I see, Directrix (webui developer) currently
isn't available through e-mail.

I think it would be right be wait for their official decision (bittorrent and 
co.),
surely if `smorris` is an employee in it.

Original comment by dfateyev on 11 Sep 2009 at 4:05

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
Hi there. I remember Novik from back when the µTorrent community made a
multi-language version of the webui (
http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=34079 ) and he indeed was the first 
to
introduce the speed tab :)

Sad to see you left µTorrent and moved on to rTorrent but still all the best. 
But I
do want to provide my view of this issue. Hope it helps.

Simon Morris is a known employee of BitTorrent, Inc. (
http://www.bittorrent.com/company/management ) and since Simon/smorris is using 
a
BitTorrent.com (owned BitTorrent, Inc.) email address you can be fairly certain 
it's
him. You can always mail him to confirm if you think this is an impersonator 
but I
myself find it very unlikely.

I think the questions that have to get answered before you can continue this 
project are:
1) Did you use code written by Directrix (i.e. webui.zip)? 
    No -> Issue resolved.
2) Who has the final say on the rights to that code?
3) Do you have permission to use this code?
4) Does (or will) this permission include restrictions that force you to change 
your
own license scheme?

Notes that might help with the above questions:
* The source files of the webui.zip refer to both BitTorrent, Inc. and Carsten
Niebuhr (Directrix) as copyright holders (
http://trac.utorrent.com/trac/browser/webui/trunk/webui.js ).
* 'All rights reserved' means you are NOT allowed to use the code without 
permission.
* To keep your project under public license they'll probably have to release the
webui.zip code under public license. Luckily the webui.zip is basically 
completely
separate from µTorrent itself so this isn't a far fetched idea and from Simon 
Morris
words above they might actually be prepared to do this.
* You don't have to worry about the mootools framework ( 
http://www.mootools.net/ )
because they use the MIT OSI License (
http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php ) which allows you to use 
it's
code under virtually any other license, even proprietary.

Good luck,
Lord Alderaan

Original comment by lordalde...@gmail.com on 14 Sep 2009 at 9:00

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
I just hope they don't try to shut this project down.  rtorrent is the way to 
go when
it comes to torrenting with *nix.  And this front end is wonderful.  Does 
anyone know
how to get in touch with Directrix?

Original comment by Wonslung@gmail.com on 14 Sep 2009 at 12:11

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
> how to get in touch with Directrix?
I tried to e-mail him but currently didn't got the answer (I don't see another 
ways
how to discuss this issue out with him).

Original comment by dfateyev on 14 Sep 2009 at 2:57

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
As previously mentioned we have no interest in shutting down your project. We 
are
working on releasing a version of the WebUI code under an open source license - 
we're
going to take a few days to make sure we do it right. One thing we will ask in 
return
is that you use a different logo for your project - will you guys be ok doing 
that?
(the reason for this is we have hardware vendors who pay us for the rights to 
put our
logos on their devices - if we allow people to use the logo (or one obviously 
closely
styled around it) freely, then it makes it easy for them to say "no" - which
undermines one of the few ways we have to make money. I hope you understand 
this.
More soon on an open source webUI. Feel free to post here or else email me
(simon@bittorrent.com) to suggest an exact version to open source (I'm inclined 
to
start with the version distributed currently with uTorrent).
best regards
Simon

Original comment by smorris%...@gtempaccount.com on 15 Sep 2009 at 5:41

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
> version of the WebUI code under an open source license
Great news!

> to use a different logo for your project - will you guys be ok doing that?
I don't think that is a problem in any kind; we will change the logo asap (when
changing license routines will be done). 
Thanks for your participation in the project and this contribution to open 
source.

Original comment by dfateyev on 15 Sep 2009 at 9:35

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
what about simply changing the color to red? it would look more "ru" and it 
would
look NOTHING like the utorrent logo at that point.

just my suggestion.

Original comment by Wonslung@gmail.com on 16 Sep 2009 at 7:14

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
>As previously mentioned we have no interest in shutting down your project.

Thanx, Simon.

>One thing we will ask in return is that you use a different logo for your 
project

No problem, i will make new logo at this week.

Original comment by novik65 on 17 Sep 2009 at 8:29

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
> Wonslung
what about simply changing the color to red? it would look more "ru" 

LOL, it would look more 'chinese' then.
just a joke.

Original comment by dfateyev on 17 Sep 2009 at 9:15

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
Yep! Change the color to red and replace the white "r" with golden "hammer and
sickle". =)

Original comment by shasvir...@gmail.com on 17 Sep 2009 at 9:21

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
dude, i can make a logo that's red and as a sickle AS the R.

Want me to?

Original comment by Wonslung@gmail.com on 17 Sep 2009 at 10:15

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
Question to owner (Novik). I'm just a user here.

Original comment by shasvir...@gmail.com on 17 Sep 2009 at 10:19

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
yah, it was a general question to novik thanks you both or our ideas =)

Original comment by Wonslung@gmail.com on 17 Sep 2009 at 10:21

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
2lordalderaan -  

>The source files of the webui.zip refer to both BitTorrent, Inc. and Carsten
Niebuhr (Directrix) as copyright holders

ruTorrent use the previos version of webui (0.310) as a starting point. This 
version
1) doesn't use mootools.
2) In it's source files i can't find lines like 'All rights reserved' or any 
refer to
BitTorrent, Inc. (refer to Directrix is present in the interface window, in 
ruTorrent
it is present too).
3) Of course, this doesn't allow to me any permission to use this code.

Original comment by novik65 on 17 Sep 2009 at 12:41

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
>dude, i can make a logo that's red and as a sickle AS the R.

I think, this is a joke ;) But you can try, of course. We need 2 logos with
dimensions - 153x55 (or lesser) for google and 16x16 for favicon.

Original comment by novik65 on 17 Sep 2009 at 12:47

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GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
And 48x48 for an icon. At least for my site. =)

Original comment by shasvir...@gmail.com on 17 Sep 2009 at 1:12

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
Some like this:

Original comment by novik65 on 18 Sep 2009 at 1:27

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GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
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GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
Мне нравится. Осталось добить до 
амбиграммы IMHO.
Главное - чтобы со знаком шекеля не 
перепутали.

Original comment by shasvir...@gmail.com on 18 Sep 2009 at 2:10

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
Pure and simple.. I like it.
But I think it should be more expressive in details.

Original comment by dfateyev on 18 Sep 2009 at 3:24

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
Ну я не художник ;) Любой желающий может 
поправить, или предложить собственный
вариант. Единственное условие - 
бело-зеленая гамма не подходит - чтобы не 
напоминало
лог uTorrent.

Original comment by novik65 on 18 Sep 2009 at 4:47

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
Another logo from Wonslung. Good drawing, but i can't resize it to 16x16 (very 
ugly
result)

Original comment by novik65 on 19 Sep 2009 at 7:52

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GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
actually, a friend of mine did them =)

Original comment by Wonslung@gmail.com on 19 Sep 2009 at 7:59

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
Just for fun.
Actually there are a lot of variants... but too few pixels.

Original comment by shasvir...@gmail.com on 19 Sep 2009 at 10:37

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GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
Logo & favicon changed.

Original comment by novik65 on 22 Sep 2009 at 8:25