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Starting z offset problem (maybe due to low center on bed) #13

Closed lnevo closed 2 years ago

lnevo commented 3 years ago

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Bug report

Please do not report the "Works fine on the first (or first and second corner), display says 'ok. moving to next' but nothing happens" bug. This is covered in detail in the "Troubleshooting" section of the README. I know it is an issue for many, and it is on the roadmap, but unfortunately it isn't an easy fix.

Description

I was using the Jyers firmware Probe Assisted tramming which has a thousandth mm precision and had the bed pretty level. When I tried using autobim it would tell me I had a +.08 offset at the first corner. After leveling everything and it doing a full round and saying done. I tried to do another round to make sure it was good and it started off saying it was .07 mm again.

Steps to reproduce

Checked with manual level to see where the corners were in relation. Ran the Autobim process through again. Verified manually leveling precision and starting autobim a 3rd time. Manual leveling was +.001/.000/.000/-.008. After starting autobim a 3rd time it reported again a .007 difference.

Expected outcome

I would have expected it to run around all 4 corners and confirm that the autobim process was good. I would like to see a probe of all 4 corners similar to the Probe Assisted Tramming and an offset target based on all 4 corners. I believe the fact that I have a low center is causing it to want to raise the bed each time.

Actual outcome

Repeated use of autobim in my situation will cause the bed to continually be raised.

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Feature

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Question

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Else: just fire away. But keep in mind: the more detail, the easier it is to answer :smiley:.

j-be commented 3 years ago

Hi, I think you got the issue right: I assume you use the probe for Z homing. If so, your bed's center is most probably some 0.07 to 0.08 mm higher (or lower) than the edges. The plugin tries to bring the corners up to level with the reference point (i.e. Z0, aka. Z home). While doing so, it obviously moves the center, too. When then homing again, the center will have shifted up by those 0.07 mm, causing the corners to be lower again.

The first important thing to note is, that your bed is still trammed at this point - it is just warped in the center.

But I presume this could be worked around, by allowing a point different from Z0 as reference. I already though of this, as it may even speed up the process if one of the corners would be reference (i.e. that only leaves 3 to adjust). Do you think implementing that feature would solve your issue?

lnevo commented 3 years ago

Precisely, we’re on the same page. I think a corner could be a reference, but which corner and how to tell if it’s high/low relative to the rest. That’s why I suggested a round of probes to get the tilt. A configurable reference could be an easy work around. I think you’d still need to adjust all 4 points, but maybe in practice it could work. I’d be happy to test.

j-be commented 3 years ago

It is still possible though to use a Z endstop for Z homing - even if a probe is present. In those scenarios, Z=0 is all I have, as I must not lower the bed below the endstop, no matter what. That is the reason I chose Z=0 as reference: it works fine for both Z endstop and homing using probe.

But if (and only if) probe is used for Z homing, and using a corner as reference (the easiest would be to use the first corner - which could be set to any of them) I would rotate the bed (like: tramming is basically just rotating the bed in 3D) around a corner, which is part of the probing cycle, rather then one which is not - assuiming for most firmwares out there the Z homing reference will be "center of bed", even though it can be set to any point on the bed in Marlins configuration.

A third approach would be to make the reference point configurable. But for now I don't see any benefit in that. If one thinks that there is a special point on (or even off) the bed, which is especially good as Z=0 sHe should set that as point for Z homing, too, right? And at that point my current implementation works as a charm again.

TL;DR: Using one of the corner as reference is on my TODO. It will most probably just be the first of the list.

lnevo commented 3 years ago

Sounds like a plan. I’ll have to look more into setting up z stop with the BLtouch. So assuming then the endstop would get defined by the endstop instead of probe?

lnevo commented 3 years ago

Just an FYI, I've added an "offset" variable in the settings and am adding that value in the try section. It seems to be working nicely. I can now level the bed, it will make it's rounds and when I execute the autobim process again, it will just cycle through all the corners as expected. This might be an easier way to go then changing the reference behavior and solves my problem for now. My real issue is the warped bed :)

j-be commented 2 years ago

@lnevo Sorry for the delay, I have been on holiday in the meantime, and things came up, and so on...

In any case: I implemented a setting to tell it to use the first point in the list as reference instead of Z=0. This turned out to be a great feature, and works quite nicely on my setup, too. It is included in release 0.1.11.

Would you mind checking it and (assuming the feature works for you as well) close this issue? Thanks :smiley:

j-be commented 2 years ago

Closing due to inactivity.