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Group buy interest? #1

Open j4cbo opened 3 months ago

j4cbo commented 3 months ago

A few people have mentioned interest in buying one of these so I'm starting a thread to discuss. Price will be $50 each plus shipping.

galvesribeiro commented 3 months ago

Hello! I do want one. Sign me in! :)

kitor commented 3 months ago

I'd build one myself so I'm interested in either bare pcbs or project files.

struthio commented 3 months ago

hi, I am interested in final product / bare pcbs / project files. I have also 2 questions:

  1. When final price will be known ?
  2. What is price for shipping ? I saw You are located in USA, so shipping to Europe might be pricey (compared to price of adapter).
marcojk commented 3 months ago

hi, I am interested in final product / bare pcbs / project files. I have also 2 questions:

  1. When final price will be known ?
  2. What is price for shipping ? I saw You are located in USA, so shipping to Europe might be pricey (compared to price of adapter).

Same here, possibly an Europe-based group buy could be set up. Opening the design would be nice too!

systemerror-codenotfound commented 3 months ago

Hi, It would be possible to try an develop a version for the M910X ?

I'm part of a group here on spain that would be really interested in several parts

skruje commented 3 months ago

I'd probably be in for 1-3 of these once you're satisfied with the prototypes, depending on the pricing.

Will the custom riser still require all the SMD soldering on the motherboard shown in badger707/m920q-dual-NVME?

Nice to haves for future revs:

kitor commented 3 months ago

Hi, It would be possible to try an develop a version for the M910X ?

@systemerror-codenotfound Why don't you start own issue instead of hijacking non-related one?

Will the custom riser still require all the SMD soldering on the motherboard shown in badger707/m920q-dual-NVME?

@skruje No, you are confusing two different mods. This one requires bifurcation mod which is two resistors change from badger707/m920q-pcie-bifurcation/issues/1

If you use both, you can go crazy and have up to 6 NVME drives in this computer. One in existing slot, one in dual nvme mod, three using riser we discuss here and one extra in WiFi slot (but that will work as PCIe x1) :)

option for an x8 port for shorter cards like the AOC-STGN-I2S. Maybe a jumper to select x8x4 or x4x4x4.

This was already answered in badger707 thread. It is impossible, not impractical, due to a few factors:

Open end slot seems a good idea on the first glance (but you can also mod your slot very easily with craft knife). However from the photos I'm not sure if x8 card would even fit - I'm under impression that first m.2 slot would interfere anyway.

j4cbo commented 3 months ago

The way I think of it, https://github.com/badger707/m920q-dual-NVME turns an m920q into roughly an m920x, which has two onboard M.2 connectors for NVMe SSDs. Then my board in conjunction with the two resistors changed in https://github.com/badger707/m920q-pcie-bifurcation adds two more M.2s (one off the PCH, one off the bifurcated CPU port) and provides a PCIe x4 slot. As @kitor says, if you aren’t using the slot for a network card, then (with a PCIe x4 to M.2 board) you could add another SSD there, and if you aren't using the WiFi M.2 you could (with an A+E-key to M-key adapter) add yet another SSD there, albeit with only one PCIe lane.

There's about 10mm vertically between the M.2 connectors and the x4 slot on my board, so a PCIe card that extends under the M.2 SSDs would be fine as long as it didn't have a large heatsink.

j4cbo commented 3 months ago

Update: price for the first batch will be $70 USD each plus shipping (2 for $130, 3 for $180) $50 each, and I expect them to be available in mid-May. There will also be a 12V fan header on the board with the standard 3-pin PC fan pinout. This is for m920q/m920x only. The m720q doesn't support bifurcation, and the m910 series has a different pinout and lacks the additional 4 PCH lanes on the socket. (A single-M.2 m720q variant is in the works, though.)

Shipping will be $5 within the US or $20 to Canada (per shipment, not per unit). Overseas, slow shipping (1-4 weeks) is $25, or $40 by UPS (less than a week). It might make sense for me to ship a bunch to someone in Europe for further distribution from there.

galvesribeiro commented 3 months ago

I want one as soon as available. I'm in Brazil.

skruje commented 3 months ago

Love that @j4cbo managed to get a fan header in there. I'm out for now; hoping we can find a more economical way to deliver to Canada for future batches. Any chance the design will be open sourced?

j4cbo commented 3 months ago

Canada shipping is cheaper than Europe - I edited the post above with those prices and quantity discounts. I'm not opposed to open-sourcing the design but, selfishly, I'd like to make back what I spent on the first batch first :)

chocmake commented 3 months ago

This is for m920q/m920x only. The m720q doesn't support bifurcation

Just to clarify, badger's bifurcation repo states compatibility for M720q. Is something different for this riser or am I missing something?

Edit: misunderstood the follow-up about a single m.2 variant. I see, so that model only supports one m.2 in the normally 2x4 side.

j4cbo commented 3 months ago

Just to clarify, badger's bifurcation repo states compatibility for M720q. Is something different for this riser or am I missing something?

It's mentioned in the README, but there's a good argument as to why bifurcation wouldn't work on the m720q here: https://github.com/badger707/m920q-pcie-bifurcation/issues/2#issuecomment-1835940720

The m720q does still have the extra 4 lanes from the PCH, though, which should support a single M.2.

j4cbo commented 2 months ago

I have one prototype available which I'm offering for free (within the US) if anyone wants to beta test. It lacks the fan header and open-back PCIe slot that the production ones will have (probably a month out), and it's not pretty, but I've tested in my own server and it is working well. My email is on my Github profile.

galvesribeiro commented 2 months ago

Would test for you but I'm in Brazil :P

j4cbo commented 2 months ago

Update: I've placed the production order :) I was able to get the price down to $50. The production boards will include an open-backed PCIe slot and a 12V fan header, and will be ready in about a month.

galvesribeiro commented 2 months ago

Looking forward for it :)

struthio commented 2 months ago

@j4cbo $50 for M920Q one ? (2x NVME + 1xPCIe for Ethernet) ? If Yes then I even consider getting 2. Are You taking any pre-orders ?

galvesribeiro commented 2 months ago

Yeah, rephrasing, I want 2 as well 😄

@j4cbo if you can send email and/or PayPal/Wise or whatever way you decide to be paid, we can put the pre-order ahead.

j4cbo commented 2 months ago

To pre-order, send me an email - my email address is shown on my main Github profile :)

galvesribeiro commented 2 months ago

Done :shipit:

struthio commented 2 months ago

I'm not opposed to open-sourcing the design but, selfishly, I'd like to make back what I spent on the first batch first :)

Maybe then, add project files as a documentation to bought boards or something like that ?

j4cbo commented 2 months ago

Just an update here, the manufacturer has finished fabricating the bare PCBs and is now preparing for assembly. Still looking like I'll have them by the end of May.

mdronald commented 2 months ago

Just an update here, the manufacturer has finished fabricating the bare PCBs and is now preparing for assembly. Still looking like I'll have them by the end of May.

I'm interested in buying one or two but I've the m920q model. Would I have to mod it using badger707 guide to work as a m920x before using your riser?

j4cbo commented 2 months ago

I'm interested in buying one or two but I've the m920q model. Would I have to mod it using badger707 guide to work as a m920x before using your riser?

This is independent of the m920q-to-m920x conversion; it'll still give you two extra M.2 slots. It does require installing the two resistors described in https://github.com/badger707/m920q-pcie-bifurcation/issues/1 though.

m90q commented 2 months ago

Hi, I have a M90q Gen3 ; will this mod work ? if so How can I order one?

kitor commented 2 months ago

No, this will not work.

j4cbo commented 2 months ago

Hi, I have a M90q Gen3 ; will this mod work ? if so How can I order one?

Unfortunately not - the M90q riser has a different pinout.

m90q commented 2 months ago

Hi, I have a M90q Gen3 ; will this mod work ? if so How can I order one?

Unfortunately not - the M90q riser has a different pinout.

thanks.

m90q commented 2 months ago

No, this will not work.

thanks

j4cbo commented 2 months ago

Update: assembly is done ahead of schedule, and they're being prepared to ship to me now :)

badger707 commented 2 months ago

Super cool project! I'll drop you a quick email.

galvesribeiro commented 2 months ago

Just got mines! Looking forward to get back home and try them out!

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crimeofheart commented 2 months ago

This is an excellent project! @j4cbo did you get any orders from Europe? If so I am ready to buy one and maybe two in case someone else wants to buy with less shipping cost (so that I can send it after receiving). I don't need them per my current setup, however I want to show my support for such great projects within my budget. I will send you an email.

badger707 commented 2 months ago

@crimeofheart - yes, count me in for EU delivery, I'll take 2. I've reached out to @j4cbo, per his notes shipping to EU is going to be expensive, so ideally we would want to organise group buy for EU to reduce the overall cost... Ball park numbers: €50 for board, €22-€36 shipping, 20%-30% import tax... So rough estimate is about €100 delivered.

j4cbo commented 2 months ago

@struthio is also in Europe and had mentioned interest in a group order. The shipping cost is close to the same regardless of the number of boards, so with 5 boards it becomes a lot more cost effective :)

marcojk commented 2 months ago

I'm in for 2 boards too. Would it be possibile for j4cbo to create an new batch (how many boards in each one?) and send it firsthand to someone in Europe? And then from here everyone will get his. 90-100€ is a bit pricey for my budget.

crimeofheart commented 2 months ago

Hey @j4cbo, my emails to you are calssified as spam. Tried to send a couple of emails, not sure whether you will eventually receive them :) I am willing to support and can receive the bulk order, then distribute. I am located in Spain. Shipping from here to any EU country varies between 8 to 20 EUR depending on urgency, tracking etc. However on the other hand I don't want to endup with batch of risers that people didnt commit in the end. Not sure how this can be solved.

@badger707 I believe the import tax can be avoided if the box is declared as a gift/prototype. This way the cost of the riser should be around (50 usd x number_of_item + 20 usd shipping from my side). I calculated the 20 USD shipping as: 30 USD from US / number of people in Europe (currently 4) + shipping from my side. All these are theorotical and can vary +- 5 usd per card I beleieve.

struthio commented 1 month ago

@j4cbo Thanks for mentioning me :)

@crimeofheart "I believe the import tax can be avoided if the box is declared as a gift/prototype." - this is true if You get 1-2 items. If this will be like bulk order, like 10-20 exact items in onebox, there is high probability that customs will just calculate tax (no matter what is marked in shipping declaration).

And regarding shipping, can You check exact prices (I mean +/- 5USD) ? If this is +5 USD then total shipping is 25USD which is same as 'cheaper' option mentioned by @j4cbo directly from USD, so I do not think it is worth a hassle to repack it in EU.

Please also consider need to repack (so You providing additional boxes, fillers for packages etc).

If anyone is from PL, I can redistribute it within PL shipping in PL (InPost) is in range of 3-4USD.

kitor commented 1 month ago

If anyone is from PL, I can redistribute it within PL shipping in PL (InPost) is in range of 3-4USD.

Yup, I am. Still waiting to see what the total estimated damages is.

I wonder where @j4cbo ordered the first batch. Maybe it would be just cheaper to order a second batch directly to someone in EU ... assuming there's enough interest of course.

BTW: for domestic shipping you can also check DPD. For Pickup - Pickup shipments with 40SS24 code you can go right now as low as ~7,50PLN for small parcels :)

marcojk commented 1 month ago

I wonder where @j4cbo ordered the first batch. Maybe it would be just cheaper to order a second batch directly to someone in EU ... assuming there's enough interest of course.

This is the option i was referring to. Collect the order, pay to j4cbo, order shipped directly to europe and from here we will manage somehow :)

j4cbo commented 1 month ago

The PCB fabrication and soldering was done by a contract manufacturer in China, but then there's a programmable logic device that I need to flash afterwards. (I'm very glad I designed it that way - it allowed me to fix a compatibility issue with x8/x16 cards in the open-backed slot that I only discovered after the boards had been sent for fabrication!)

I think the best bet might just be for me to ship individually with USPS First Class, which is potentially slow (they say 1-4 weeks) but would only be $17.50 (about 16€) per shipment. Plus that way each shipment stays relatively low-value in terms of duty thresholds. With two boards in a shipment that's around 110€ total for two boards, plus taxes... not too bad?

wociscz commented 1 month ago

EU (CZ) here. Count me in for 2 pcs (for the next batch if this one is already sold out).

j4cbo commented 1 month ago

@badger707 @kitor and @wociscz , could you each send me an email? Address is in my Github profile :)

badger707 commented 1 month ago

@j4cbo it is the one I've sent you on Saturday 11th, saw your email response but didn't managed to reply yet.

struthio commented 1 month ago

If anyone is from PL, I can redistribute it within PL shipping in PL (InPost) is in range of 3-4USD.

Yup, I am. Still waiting to see what the total estimated damages is.

I wonder where @j4cbo ordered the first batch. Maybe it would be just cheaper to order a second batch directly to someone in EU ... assuming there's enough interest of course.

BTW: for domestic shipping you can also check DPD. For Pickup - Pickup shipments with 40SS24 code you can go right now as low as ~7,50PLN for small parcels :)

Hi,

I've sent You an email, Check if it didn't went to "Spam" folder :)

crimeofheart commented 1 month ago

IMG_20240527_123053 It costed me 9.95eur as import tax and paid 70usd to @j4cbo for the adapter. Total cost approx 82usd to Spain. Not bad. It's beautiful!

wociscz commented 1 month ago

Raisers arrived. Total cost per piece is ~$83 with vat and customs (Czech Republic). Looks great/professional grade product. Thanks!

j4cbo commented 1 month ago

Still have 6 available :)