Discussion about non-pu words

[gary-host-laptop]

While searching for some sources for three words I wanted to add I came across a dictionary of both official, community created, alternative pronunciation and joke words that some community created. While I think some of them should totally be added, I think it would be better to have an issue to track them in order to discuss whether or not they should be added.

This will be a long issue and I will update it through time so it will not be finished now, but I would like to separate the issue with sections for each and every non-pu words.

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Keywords:

pu appearing in Toki Pona: The Language of Good pre-pu non-pu words predating the publication of Toki Pona: The Language of Good post-pu words coined after the publication of Toki Pona: The Language of Good ALT alternative usages found within toki pona communities (pv.) pre-verb, auxiliary predicate which can subordinate another predicate (+ objects of the latter predicate) ? unknown etymology & multiple sources ~ multiple possible etymologies ← derives from [etymological source] word of Sonja non-pu words presented spontaneously by jan Sonja pre-pu ALT ALT usage of a pu word derives from a pre-pu usage nimi nanpa words either coined as or used as numbers

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Sources:

nimi ale pona first edition nimi ale pona second edition Reddit post where someone created glyps for non-pu words

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There are three words that I believe should be added without any discussions, since they are probably some of the most used except for transphobic or homophobic people. These are:

mijomi – post-pu~ gay, mlm {see kule}           ← toki pona ‘mije pi olin mije’ Wiktionary entry

melome – post-pu~ sapphic, lesbian, wlw {see kule}             ← toki pona ‘meli pi olin meli’. Wiktionary entry

tonsi – post pu~ non-binary, gender-non-conforming | ~alt-usage~ trans, non-cisgender {see meli, mije, kule}        ← Mandarin 同志 tóngzhì ‘comrade (same will/purpose); LGBT+’ Wiktionary entry

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Categories:

pre-pu

post-pu

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Word of Sonja

pre-pu ALT

nimi nanpa

[yunruse]

I second this. This is the most useful dictionary I can find, and it would be great to have it represent more than pu words. (Also being able to filter or search by categories would be helpful too :)

[gary-host-laptop]

@yunruse It would be nice if you helped me to complete this list, I haven't had the time and I can't allow you to modify the issue, but if you comment I'll add the words.

[yunruse]

I'm not too sure, having only just learned pu, but I find a source of some of ex-pu or jan Sonja's words.

Vital ones I'd say are mulapisu (pizza) and kipisi (cut). Others are ex-pu, outdated or kinda jokey (eg kijetesantakalu, an animal of the family Procyonidae)

[yunruse]

Wait, nevermind, I see you already have sources... I believe it wouldn't be too hard to convert them to .rtf and then have them converted likewise into a JSON format. The site itself would need a modification, though, to allow for this tagging, but other than that the data isn't a major issue, imo.

[JustPassingBy06]

What about all 'nimi ku suli' words? I think that would be a pretty good list.