jamiephan / HeroesOfTheStorm_TryMode2.0

A modified Try Mode Map for Heroes of the Storm to create a better experience with enhanced functionalities.
https://jamiephan.github.io/HeroesOfTheStorm_TryMode2.0/
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Hi. i have downloaded the release map.but do i have to login to get in the game?is this offline? #20

Closed BlackBoar101 closed 9 months ago

BlackBoar101 commented 2 years ago

If it just a offline map , can we skip the login process? like Dota2 the offline single mode. it will be much more convient to try those maps. like some newbe the dont have a blizzard account they can enjoy the map and later may join the mod community.

BlackBoar101 commented 2 years ago

hots was official announced dead this week. lets modders enlength the life of hots. playing a modder`s single game requiring login is truely a nonsense. like diablo 3. battlenet is the big shit cause blizzard death.

Cruglk commented 2 years ago

If you can somehow run a mod to play with someone - that's when the game comes to life. Even taking into account the fact that you will have to create maps in the XML editor, if we can play the created maps with someone over the network, then this will be enough for the development of the game. Unfortunately, I personally did not see a solution for anyone to be able to run the HotS mod for playing in co-op. There is only a reverse mod for SC2, where files from HotS are transferred.

You can also try to write https://github.com/spazzo966 - he knows more about the game than anyone else (in terms of code and game features).

BlackBoar101 commented 2 years ago

@Cruglk My point is just let the game skip the login process first, its a great barrier for new gamers get in the game. Hots have awsome model , animation, particles. sound and so on. some of these are much better than lol & dota2 .But it ask a player more than ten steps to get an account and update client , solves some ridiculous bugs then get in the game.

why just make it into one step? just download a client then play a map. a tower defence or a just fight a squence of foes to win map. even its just a solo game it helps more players get in the game. i dont ask co-op now, maybe its hard as you said at present. more players do generate more things!

Skip the login, maybe create a simple server just identify a fake user to get in a single map.

maybe co-op will be on the way when there are enough players.

maybe an editor will be created for hots by some golden coder later.

Cruglk commented 2 years ago

@BlackBoar101 - @spazzo966 already told how we can create maps: https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/tm1ugx/making_a_heroes_of_the_storm_battleground_in_the/

Personally, I do not agree that the primary task is the ability to run maps without a network. Maybe you see some special mission in this, but if you can’t play with anyone, then all this will become meaningless. You can already do Tower Defense, RPG and so on, but what's the point of playing alone?

Interest in the game is maintained online, not solo play. Until now, people are playing WarCraft 3 Legion, Dota AllStar and so on, all because these are massive games and it's interesting. You will go through any solo map once, and any updates for it will be meaningless - it will still be the same map. And for the mass game - it will be a new search for solving ordinary problems in order to WIN the enemy (and this is a motivating goal).

But, again, there is no point in discussing all this. Personally, I would love to create maps if I could play them with someone, but this is now a dead process.

And the textures and graphics - yes, in HotS, among other popular mobs, it is the best.

In the meantime, you can consider the following option - and try working with game files through SC2: https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/uf7pzn/playable_new_hots_map_in_sc_2_with_some_new_heroes/

BlackBoar101 commented 2 years ago

@Cruglk thank you for your map link. i will try it later. i do agree playing with someone will be much more fun than playing along.and it the core gameplay in moba or some mod maps or like you said MMOs

But. if the Task of getting in game with out login is not hard and time consuming. i strongly advice get it done sooner or later. Playing along is not my goal. if hots can run with out a login, it means any web any version any player who have a client can throw hots to any potential players. they do advertisement for hots for free. and player can get in game in just one step. they can also play alone or they can create their own map and they can up load their work in mod community share with others. it helps hots community build, this is what i mean. Games like darksouls or elder ring or dmc or resident evil they are hard core single play game. but player doing mod happily every day~~

FOR NOW this tight link with battlenet kills mods for games like hots or diablo3 or sc2. and later diablo4. Dota really break blizzard confidence. you may say no. sc2 have a lot of mods. i will say if sc2 have the form of war3 their will be much more mods. it is something like a football playground have only one small entrance, few people can get in. for the ousiders they may even cant see the entrance at all.

NOW, if i want to share hots to a girl its almost impossible through internet. but i can throw her a zip file and she can play if there is no login,no update no certain web download no shitty bug solve methed.

Get more players for hots. more players generate more things, good or bad. among them anything can happen.

BlackBoar101 commented 2 years ago

@Cruglk you me we two are dicussing this lonely~~~ if hots have a much lager community , have a web on nexusmods. there will be hunderds of people discussing how to solve existing problems.some sharing some teaching some discussing some creating. internet and client versions and login are barriers blocking potencial players. electricity also, but i think most area on earth can get some electricity now.--

BlackBoar101 commented 2 years ago

@Cruglk i can see get hots without login is not hard for you. if we have the single play client. in one week time there will be 100 websites provide hots download worldwide . may be 1000 websites in one month. these are all entrances to the playground. now there is only one, and you have to keep connect it....

Cruglk commented 2 years ago

@BlackBoar101 In my opinion, you clearly overestimate community involvement. In recent years less than a dozen people have been willing to understand the game code.

How old is Try Mode and how many interesting maps have we received? Two unfinished maps for the entire GitHub:

And that's all.

From the fact that now we will launch custom map in single mode no one will go to sit in the HotS code. But if it becomes possible to play the created maps with someone, I will personally create a dozen new maps, like tower defense and others.

There was an idea to create a single map and record a video as I go into it but I feel that I will lose too much time on this and there will be a minimum of interest. But if someone can create it I will gladly make posts about such a map everywhere (reddit, YouTube).

BlackBoar101 commented 2 years ago

@Cruglk my aplogize. maybe my poor english cant get myself understood. im telling you. IN CHINA there are more than 1000 websites provide hots download . its just a 2015 alpha version(2GB). cant playable at all. there are still a lot of downloads. if you guys doing some code make a no login version. i think these 1000 websites will equip your version on. im sure among those download there will be mappers.

Cruglk commented 2 years ago

@BlackBoar101 Sorry, I only focused on the experience of playing and viewing information in the European region. If the game is so popular, then it remains to be hoped that someone will be able to do it.

BlackBoar101 commented 2 years ago

@Cruglk man, you finally get what i mean. hots situation now is not because so many code dead process like you said. wow emulator sever starts from nothing but now it remains updating in github like cmangos and so on. because there are enough people. some knows tech stuff, some have money, some are doing business, most are players.

you guys are still working under battlenet frame. i said this thing is a big shit. this shit`s main job is lock people onto blizzard. . he update you updat he shut you shut he can rip your balls off whenever he feels unconfortable, few people like it.

maybe one day a goden coder can do a emulator for hots, but he must have enough supporters.

Cruglk commented 2 years ago

@BlackBoar101 Look towards "Blizzless" - it is possible that they will be able to take on HotS.

BlackBoar101 commented 2 years ago

@Cruglk hope so.