Model/View highligh and aliasing does not work (at least not as in Jamoma 0.5.7)

[lossius]

In Jamoma 0.5.7 these two features would work as following:

/my_model/view/highlight green

This would change the colour of the j.ui backgroun panel in the model to the specified colour.

/player.1/alias /anton

This would cause several changes to the behaviour and display of the model:

1) The model would respond to messages sent to the model /anton in addition to responing to messages sent to the model /player.1. 2) The name of the model displayed in the top bar of the module would change from /player.1 to /anton 3) When getting state of all models, the state of the model would be reported as the state of the model /anton rather than /player.1.

In Jamoma 1 none of them work the same way.

highlight does not seem to work at all.

alias kind of work but not quite. The displayed name is not changed in the view, and neither is it used when reporting the state of the model. I guess one question is whether this feature is needed any longer at all, or if one rather is able (and should) dynamicallychange the name of the model and it's view for real, instead of operating with an alias?

On a sidenote, interacting with JamomaMax/Jamoma/examples/model features/alias renaming.maxpatend to result in spinning beach balls.

Any thoughts on this @theod and @bltzr ?

[bltzr]

Concerning the highlighting, it works in 1.0, though with a different syntax, as shown in the "highlighting" example from the Jamoma Overview Extra Or as discussed on the user list

[bltzr]

Concerning the alias, I don't have a strong opinion on the subject, as I never used the feature, or even felt the actual need of it (even I agree it would be an interesting feature if it was completely implemented, which it currently isn't...)

[bltzr]

though, I guess it wouldn't be to hard to replace the name for the alias in the get_state part of the cue_script model (BTW, looking into it, I guess setting j.namespace @update to 0 would help some of your problems... the "pop-up" ones...)

concerning displaying the alias instead of the model name in j.ui: that would obviously need to be implemented in j.ui's code..

and, yes, there seem to be some stability improvements to do in order to actually use aliases...

[lossius]

Is it possible to change the name of a model on the fly? If so the alias feature might be redundant, as one can simply change the name of the model (and its views) instead.

[lossius]

Thanks Pascal, checking your answers now. So it seems like highlight is a property of the view now rather than the model. I am unsure (both ways) if this is the ideal solution. In one way I can understand that highlighting is part of a visual representation (view), but on the other hand I can also easily see that you want to give all views that subscribe to a particular model one and the same highlight. If so, it would be natural to think of highlight as an attribute of the model, not the view.

[tap]

Can that be accomplished (all views of the model) using wildcards?

best, Tim

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Thanks Pascal, checking your answers now. So it seems like highlight is a property of the view now rather than the model. I am unsure (both ways) if this is the ideal solution. In one way I can underatand that highlighting is part of a visual representation (view), but on the other hand I can also easily see that you want to give all views that subscribe to a particular model one and the same highlight. If so, it would be natural to think of highlight as an attribute of the model, not the view.

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[bltzr]

Is it possible to change the name of a model on the fly?

Nope, I don’t think that’s possible at all If so the alias feature might be redundant, as one can simply change the name of the model (and its views) instead.

Even if that was (made) possible, the problem would remain for the view to know that the model it binds to has changed its name - that’s maybe not impossible to achieve, though...

[bltzr]

Thanks Pascal, checking your answers now. So it seems like highlight is a property of the view now rather than the model. I am unsure (both ways) if this is the ideal solution.

I think it is. And that’s another thing we solved in Montréal: that the view is itself a model, and can have properties... In one way I can underatand that highlighting is part of a visual representation (view), but on the other hand I can also easily see that you want to give all views that subscribe to a particular model one and the same highlight. If so, it would be natural to think of highlight as an attribute of the model, not the view.

Nope, I don’t think so. Because one could want to have different highlights for different views of the same model.

Though, it’s quite easy to achieve what you want with the current implementation by adding a parameter to the model, e.g. [j.parameter color @type string], and then binding to it in the view, and passing that to the view, such as: [j. remote color] - a menu could be added	[prepend ui:highlight]

[j.view]

What do you think ?

[bltzr]

Can that be accomplished (all views of the model) using wildcards?

kind of, if views are named in a clever way using their second arguments… though, I guess that would be a problem when binding a view to another model…

I think the best paths are:

• either as I proposed in my previous mail
• or having a centralized system that keeps track of all views and to which models they bind - for more sophisticated view color management...

[lossius]

For my use it is quite clear that I'd like all views for one and the same model to be highlighted the same way. As such I'd like this to be an amenity of the model. The reason why I want to provide the views for different models with different highlight colours is exactly to discriminate between what model they represent. If I change what model a view subscribes to, I would indeed want the view to automatically change to the appropriate highlight colour.

One example of where this is the case is in all DAW programs that I'm aware of. If you set a track to a certain colour, the mixer strip for that track will be given the same colour. This is how highlighting in Jamoma should function as well.

[lossius]

And I don't want to have to do this manually by adapting and customizing each and every model that I choose to use. I want this feature to be available for standard models provided with the Jamoma distro as well.

[bltzr]

Well, if that's the way you want it to be, then just do it! I was just mentioning other potential use cases, to widen the perspective, but sometimes perfect is the enemy of good...