Can OSARA provide spoken feedback for MIDI inline editor actions?

[Aleskis]

Previously, up to version 6.82, MIDI Inline Editor shortcuts were correctly routed to the MIDI Inline Editor. Since version 7, however, this focus has been lost, and keyboard shortcuts are sent back to the TCP, rendering the MIDI Inline Editor unusable. Of course, there's no vocall feedback, but for quick actions, MIDI Inline Editor works just fine. It would be sad to see a regression in accessibility on what worked in version 6.

[ScottChesworth]

I'll take this up with Cockos. Can you give us a list of the in-line actions that you find useful in REAPER 6? While we're sorting this out, it might be possible to get more speech feedback or preview feedback for those.

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I'll take this up with Cockos. Can you give us a list of the in-line actions that you find useful in REAPER 6? While we're sorting this out, it might be possible to get more speech feedback or preview feedback for those.

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[ScottChesworth]

Details are at reaper.fm, forum, REAPER Pre-Release Discussion.

[Aleskis]

Hey Scott,

I spoke too quickly! Sorry, in fact, the inline midi editor had stopped being focusable, but I hadn't tried switching to full screen, nor had I tried unchecking certain things in the view menu. On the other hand, if you think we can take vocalization a step further on this subject, I use the actions :

Edit: Note velocity -01 Edit: Note velocity +01 Edit: Note velocity -10 Edit: Note velocity +10 Edit: Move notes down one semitone Edit: Move notes up one semitone Edit: Move notes down one octave Edit: Move notes up one octave Edit: Move notes left one grid unit Edit: Move notes right one grid unit Edit: Move notes left one pixel Edit: Move notes right one pixel Edit: Shorten notes one grid unit Edit: Lengthen notes one grid unit Edit: Shorten notes one pixel Edit: Lengthen notes one pixel Select note nearest to the edit cursor

Note that I use this last action, because there's no equivalent to the actions, move to previous chord and move to next chord in the inline. I don't know what OSARA could implement in this respect, as has been done in the standard editor. By the way, strange that REAPER doesn't provide a native action for moving to the previous or next note via actions. But that's another subject.

[Aleskis]

Would you like that I change the issue title ?

[ScottChesworth]

I hadn't tried switching to full screen, nor had I tried unchecking certain things in the view menu.

What needed to be unchecked for the behaviour you're used to to work in REAPER 7?

[Aleskis]

In fact, nothing special is checked, except Transport. I suspect that a floating plugin window were masking the inline MIDI editor, because I can't reproduce the focus issue.

[Aleskis]

For REAPER 7, I think we could ask Cockos to have the API report what's happening in the MIDI Inline Editor, which would make it easier to work with this tool and, above all, to create an OSARA action that moves from chord to chord, just as you can do in the standard MIDI Editor.

[RDMurray]

I don't think there is anything missing from the api for the inline editor, so it should be possible to add feedback however I'm not certain. Before starting work on it, can you convince me that there is any advantage to the inline editor for screen reader use? As far as I can tell it would take exactly the same number of keystrokes. Also, he inline editor has a much smaller list of actions available.

[ScottChesworth]

Have I understood it that in-line would provide us with a more track-based experience for tweaking MIDI? If so, it would certainly be handy here where I tend to do MIDI in short bursts, and consequently find myself opening/closing the editor a lot.

[ptorpey]

Is the midi in-line editor something new in version 7? I didn’t see any documentation for RC 7 on the dev web site. Does the documentation come with the install?

Thanks.

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Have I understood it that in-line would provide us with a more track-based experience for tweaking MIDI? If so, it would certainly be handy here where I tend to do MIDI in short bursts, and consequently find myself opening/closing the editor a lot.

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[Aleskis]

Exactly, the main advantage of inline is that you can work on MIDI without having to go into the editor. In this way, you retain access to easy movement between tracks, to the simplified OSARA parameter window, and so on. For quick actions, it's really handy.

[RDMurray]

I'm not sure that it is possible with the current API. Also I still don't see the advantage. It takes at least one keystroke to open either editor.

Technical: I was hoping that Reaper would pass an HWND to handleCommand that could be used with the midi editor functions. It does for the normal Midi editor, but passes nullptr for the inline editor.

[Aleskis]

To tell the truth, inline isn't essential, but I use it because I can manage most of my track shortcuts, volume, panning and FX, without having to close the MIDI editor. At the same time, I can also edit my notes as I wish. So I have both mixing and MIDI editing capabilities at my fingertips, just with my keyboard. However, as I thought, to make it accessible, I'll have to ask Cockos.