Supports E2EE for android and ios

[vickyming]

E2EE only supports on browser, but can't use on android and ios app. When the web user enable e2ee, the app users in the conference will be interrupted and can't see anything.

[saghul]

This is a known limitation. We need to implement it from scratch on mobile. It's work in progress.

[ithaqua]

This is a known limitation. We need to implement it from scratch on mobile. It's work in progress.

@saghul Hi , cloud you share the roadmap for that? thanks.

[saghul]

We can't provide an ETA, sorry.

[benjaminburkhardt]

We can't provide an ETA, sorry.

In the iOS App I found "Disable End-to-End Mode" in Settings. Does that mean E2EE for iOS now is implemented?

[saghul]

No, that must be a bad translation. The English test reads "Disable Peer-to-Peer mode".

[timomayer]

Can you share some insights on that? What's your plan to implement it will you use and technique on mobile as for e2ee on desktop, or will you change e2ee overall?

[saghul]

The plan is to use the same technique. We have started to take the first steps towards that goal.

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[timomayer]

Hi @saghul any news on this for mobile?

[saghul]

No news, work is still (slowly) in progress.

[initpwn]

Commented to keep this thread alive.

@saghul any ETA or update of E2EE support for iOS & Android? Thank you.

[saghul]

No ETA yet sorry.

[Tmmon799]

@saghul, any changes in support browser for iOS such as chrome, or is it still chrome in android only ?

[saghul]

Slow progress on mobile. We do have experimental Safari support but it requires more testing. Firefox does not yet implement the necessary APIs to make E2EE happen.

[initpwn]

@Tmmon799 Hi, Browsers in iOS now supports E2EE. Encoded Transform API is enabled by default from iOS 15.4. But as @saghul said, it is still experimental still, try it out. Read more: https://firt.dev/ios-15.4b

[saghul]

Oh that's nice!

[Tmmon799]

@saghul @initpwn thank you for your comments. Follow up question, maybe a silly question, but I have hosted Jitsi on my server on AWS. When I do a call from desktop as a moderator on web browser like chrome, the security features in the call has an option for turning on end to end encryption, but that is not available when I do a call from mobile phone web browser like chrome from android or safari from iOS. So, could you please explain this? Can I do something about it. Thank you.

[saghul]

Where you host it doesn't matter. We require support from te browser. Safari for iOS just added support for it but we haven't validated it.

It should have worked on Chrome for android though, what version do you have?

[Tmmon799]

Thanks. I have android 11 on my phone, and iOS 15 on iPhone. Any eta when would you validate the support for safari on iOS. Also, does it work or support on iOS chrome now?

[saghul]

No ETA yet, sorry. All browsers on iOS use Safari's engine so if Safari gets it they all get it. Note this seems to be coming in version 15.4, which is not out yet.

[Tmmon799]

Thanks, if it is coming in 15.4, if Jitsi validated it and it has to go through an update for safari by apple then that’s great I will wait until the new update, or you will validate it after the update?

[saghul]

As I said, I don't have an ETA for when we'd be able to look into this.

[Tmmon799]

Okay! Thanks for the information.

[initpwn]

@saghul Hi there, Any update on this?

[saghul]

Not yet. We'll soon announce a step in this direction, but nothing testable at the moment.

[alexivaner]

Hi @saghul if I would try to help in development, could you give us steps or a flowchart about how it will be done? maybe we could help in specific steps. Thank you.

[Rkdroid]

Hi @saghul we would also like to work on this feature, let us know how we can contribute and get the feature upto speed.

[alexivaner]

@Rkdroid agree

[saghul]

Hey folks!

We recently published an important piece of the puzzle, and some of the remaining steps: https://jitsi.org/blog/a-stepping-stone-towards-end-to-end-encryption-on-mobile/

I don't think we are in a good position to get external help at the moment, alas. With Google Summer of Code ongoing we have to mentor a bunch of contributors in addition to continuing our regular tasks, so adding more people at this stage won't make us faster.

I'll drop a line here if any of that changes.

[alexivaner]

Hey folks!

We recently published an important piece of the puzzle, and some of the remaining steps: https://jitsi.org/blog/a-stepping-stone-towards-end-to-end-encryption-on-mobile/

I don't think we are in a good position to get external help at the moment, alas. With Google Summer of Code ongoing we have to mentor a bunch of contributors in addition to continuing our regular tasks, so adding more people at this stage won't make us faster.

I'll drop a line here if any of that changes.

Thank you so much, we got some insight into the process. Could all this process still maintain multiple resolutions in vp8? Means client still could request resolution based on network condition

[saghul]

Yes, that is already the case.

[initpwn]

@saghul Hello there! Any update or ETA on this?

[saghul]

No, sorry.

[Rkdroid]

@saghul any further progress on this issue?

[saghul]

No more news yet.

[initpwn]

Hi @saghul

Any ETA on E2EE support for mobile devices?

[Tmmon799]

Looking forward for that @saghul, can you please let us know any update on that? Thanks

[saghul]

We got Olm working, but the actual media encryption is still missing.

[kazin-kharizma]

Reading through, it is really good to see the progress being made on this for iOS and Android. With the latest updates it might be sooner than later? Def not 2023 right? Haha!

[zeineldin]

Just to make sure, are the limitations for the E2EE the same as before like a maximum of 20 participants in this meeting?

[saghul]

Just to make sure, are the limitations for the E2EE the same as before like a maximum of 20 participants in this meeting?

Correct.

[opusforlife2]

a maximum of 20 participants

I hope that's not a blocker for general availability?

[saghul]

Not sure what you mean. That has been the case for quite a while now.

Personally I don't think it helps in a 500 person meeting for example. If 500 people know a secret it's no longer a secret.

[opusforlife2]

I mean for the feature release of E2EE in the apps.

[saghul]

It won't be. When we release it, it will likely have the same limitations as web.

[initpwn]

@saghul Hi there! Any updates on this?

[saghul]

No news, sorry.

[WurstMitBrot]

@saghul Hi! Are there any updates on this topic?

[saghul]

I'm afraid not.