getting modern to run on dosbox-x

Pierrestro commented 11 months ago

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can we get windows vista and 7, linux to work in dosbox-x

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BridgeHeadland commented 11 months ago

No. Because none of them have an "i386" folder with the WINNT.EXE file in it. The first two beta versions of Windows Vista, codenamed Windows Longhorn, had this folder with this file, but they were there as a kind of joke. This means that they were not installed with WINNT.EXE.

maron2000 commented 11 months ago

Maybe you would like to read the documents before asking. https://github.com/joncampbell123/dosbox-x#features-that-dosbox-x-is-unlikely-to-support-at-this-time

Pierrestro commented 11 months ago

i know but what about linux

rderooy commented 11 months ago

i know but what about linux

Same as Windows NT releases. Not supported.

And even if you do manage to boot a non-supported OS, it tends to be quite unstable and may crash at any time. Even Win 9x/ME is not fully stable at this point.

Pierrestro commented 11 months ago

i meant booting from vhd with an os in it and use ventoy with support img vhd and iso and dosbox-x support loading ventoy

rderooy commented 11 months ago

No, dosbox-x does not support loading Ventoy. Neither does it support openBSD, netBSD, freeBSD, minix, BeOS, OS/2, Netware, OS4690, AIX for PS/2, Xenix, Solaris, UnixWare, OpenServer and who-knows how many other operating systems.

Pierrestro commented 11 months ago

No, dosbox-x does not support loading Ventoy. Neither does it support openBSD, netBSD, freeBSD, minix, BeOS, OS/2, Netware, OS4690, AIX for PS/2, Xenix, Solaris, UnixWare, OpenServer and who-knows how many other operating systems.

yes it does support i did it the past it should and i wont try because i can't try you will to get ventoy installer make vhd file flash ventoy to vhd ask dosbox-x to boot to ventoy and tada it should work (again)

rderooy commented 11 months ago

No it does not.

Support is something other then "can I make it boot" (and subsequently) crash.

Pierrestro commented 11 months ago

No it does not.

Support is something other then "can I make it boot" (and subsequently) crash.

it depends on the os you used but mine is fine if you problems it's your fault because your config must be bad

rderooy commented 11 months ago

I think you need to look up the definition of "support" vs "can be made to somewhat work with some luck".

maron2000 commented 11 months ago

Running Linux on DOSBox-X is already discussed in #449. Maybe there's a better chance than windows if you don't hesitate to rebuild/customize the kernel. Something like this maybe a clue to start with: https://github.com/tcsullivan/linux-486

Pierrestro commented 11 months ago

Running Linux on DOSBox-X is already discussed in #449. Maybe there's a better chance than windows if you don't hesitate to rebuild/customize the kernel. Something like this maybe a clue to start with: https://github.com/tcsullivan/linux-486

install linux deb with qemu-system-x86 in it could make possible to run any os in dosbox-x like windows 7 dont know what is qemu check it here https://www.qemu.org/ i hope to bring dosbox-x to my old 512mb ram dos 6.0 computer and do that is that also possible to make linux bootable on dosbox-x to old dos machine

maron2000 commented 11 months ago

Ok, so your first step is to find a linux distribution that actually runs on DOSBox-X, which is not yet found. Good luck to find one!

joncampbell123 commented 11 months ago

Ok, so your first step is to find a linux distribution that actually runs on DOSBox-X, which is not yet found. Good luck to find one!

I develop Linux on a Linux from Scratch system I build from source, but I've also tested it on CentOS (well, back when Centos 7 was around) and I also develop it on Mac OS 13 and Windows 10/11. I see no reason why it couldn't work on any other Linux other than perhaps conflicts with Wayland (because DOSBox-X on Linux was written against X11 X-Windows). I've had submissions in the past to also support other OSes Haiku OS as well. There are reports that DOSBox-X is also runnable on ReactOS.

If you want DOSBox-X and your distro doesn't carry it, your best bet is to learn how to compile from source.

Pierrestro commented 11 months ago

Ok, so your first step is to find a linux distribution that actually runs on DOSBox-X, which is not yet found. Good luck to find one!

I develop Linux on a Linux from Scratch system I build from source, but I've also tested it on CentOS (well, back when Centos 7 was around) and I also develop it on Mac OS 13 and Windows 10/11. I see no reason why it couldn't work on any other Linux other than perhaps conflicts with Wayland (because DOSBox-X on Linux was written against X11 X-Windows). I've had submissions in the past to also support other OSes Haiku OS as well. There are reports that DOSBox-X is also runnable on ReactOS.

If you want DOSBox-X and your distro doesn't carry it, your best bet is to learn how to compile from source.

thx now will find a compatible distro with qemu installable like: arch linux Debian/Ubuntu Fedora Gentoo RHEL/CentOS SUSE pls link any vhd bootable for dosbox-x i will do the qemu install you can check out the download page here in case if you wanna do it by yourself https://www.qemu.org/download/#linux

Pierrestro commented 11 months ago

https://www.toughdev.com/content/2022/05/getting-linux-to-boot-on-dosbox-x/

yilmazdurmaz commented 10 months ago

Check my findings towards a working old linux distro.

https://github.com/joncampbell123/dosbox-x/issues/449#issuecomment-1890290858

joncampbell123 commented 8 months ago

Ok, so your first step is to find a linux distribution that actually runs on DOSBox-X, which is not yet found. Good luck to find one!

One just occurred to me: Does DSL (Damn Small Linux) run in DOSBox-X?

yilmazdurmaz commented 8 months ago

One just occurred to me: Does DSL (Damn Small Linux) run in DOSBox-X?

running? yes! any problems? also yes!

Let me share what I had done before for an old linux distro from 1998: https://github.com/joncampbell123/dosbox-x/issues/449#issuecomment-1890290858

now, with the same loadlin.exe file, I can start a DSL linux.

The problem is the same as the problem I faced in the other post:

I could not get mouse working
X-window does gets stuck, does not load, or it takes much longer to really load than I have waited before any reboot.

# mount the iso on D drive, you can also use menu but this command can be used in a batch file
imgmount d DAMNSM~1.ISO

# and start DSL with loadlin
loadlin d:\BOOT\ISOLINUX\LINUX24 ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init single lang=us vga=791 initrd=d:\BOOT\ISOLINUX\MINIRT24.GZ nomce noapic BOOT_IMAGE=d:\KNOPPIX\KNOPPIX

Note that:

these parameters are present in the d:\BOOT\ISOLINUX\ISOLINUX.CFG file as it is the boot menu of the CD.
the parameter single causes to boot to terminal with single user mode. remove it for x-window attempts.

As long as the kernel supports such booting, you can use loadlin to practically boot to every distro. Just know the problem with mouse and graphics.

I am currently learning assembler and C on linux in dosbox-x on Macos. But I am confined to the terminal only. I would love to know if someone solves these two issues.

PS: I guess the ramdisk size is too small, or I need somethin else here. I could not run nano or vi as they give segmentation fault errors :) I will try changing that some other time.

joncampbell123 commented 8 months ago

One just occurred to me: Does DSL (Damn Small Linux) run in DOSBox-X?

running? yes! any problems? also yes!

Let me share what I had done before for an old linux distro from 1998: #449 (comment)

now, with the same loadlin.exe file, I can start a DSL linux.

The problem is the same as the problem I faced in the other post:
* I could not get mouse working

* X-window does gets stuck, does not load, or it takes much longer to really load than I have waited before any reboot.
# mount the iso on D drive, you can also use menu but this command can be used in a batch file
imgmount d DAMNSM~1.ISO

# and start DSL with loadlin
loadlin d:\BOOT\ISOLINUX\LINUX24 ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init single lang=us vga=791 initrd=d:\BOOT\ISOLINUX\MINIRT24.GZ nomce noapic BOOT_IMAGE=d:\KNOPPIX\KNOPPIX
Note that:
* these parameters are present in the `d:\BOOT\ISOLINUX\ISOLINUX.CFG` file as it is the boot menu of the CD.

* the parameter `single` causes to boot to terminal with single user mode. remove it for x-window attempts.
As long as the kernel supports such booting, you can use loadlin to practically boot to every distro. Just know the problem with mouse and graphics.

I am currently learning assembler and C on linux in dosbox-x on Macos. But I am confined to the terminal only. I would love to know if someone solves these two issues.

PS: I guess the ramdisk size is too small, or I need somethin else here. I could not run nano or vi as they give segmentation fault errors :) I will try changing that some other time.

Can you try running Linux with cputype=pentium_ii or cputype=pentium_iii?

Not many Linux distributions support i586 (and therefore would not run on a Pentium system) and it wouldn't surprise me if DSL was also designed to run on i686 (Pentium II or higher) machines.

yilmazdurmaz commented 8 months ago

I removed ramdisk_size and programs now works in the single user mode .

@joncampbell123 I am guessing you mean the cpu type of DoxBox-X itself. I have changed them from menus.

Can you try running Linux with cputype=pentium_ii or cputype=pentium_iii?

Not many Linux distributions support i586 (and therefore would not run on a Pentium system) and it wouldn't surprise me if DSL was also designed to run on i686 (Pentium II or higher) machines.

it took a bit and I could get to a desktop finally, but it was 0-1 fps I guess. Mouse was at least identified somewhat on /dev/mouse and /dev/psaux, but was not functioning good enough; very sluggish. But can't say if it was mouse itself, or the desktop was slowing it at that 0-1 fps values.

Tried again. getting the vesa screen size down to 640x480 allowed it somewhat useable 0-5 fps desktop. unpredictable from my perspective.

So, in short: WOW! it works :) If we can solve speed problems (I don't think PIII-800MHz is the issue) we can run Linux Desktop (and other Unix-like OSs) in DosBox-X. (We will need a loader if we start them from within DOS)

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