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4 years ago When you choose to localize Arabic in Joomla, Joomla should automatically reflect right to left. Icons in buttons should change places according to the localization.
we do that for years... And it is totally independent from Uppercase or not. the rtl metadata tag in each language xml is the parameter. Little by little, this is now done in Atum, and verymuch broken in Khonshu (see my test there).
Install last night release of 4.0-dev, install the Persian language and test back-end.... Switch back-end language... Play with it... Basically, before posting, please test.
for Khonshu: The % up to date is still present in Khonshu.
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Dear developers, as an active professional Joomla developer, I can't remain calm about the ugliness of the Atum admin template design of Joomla 4. The Isis Joomla 3 admin template was great, and I started to understand it when I started comparing It with the Atum template. Isis is not ideal, but when compared to Atum it is superior by an order of magnitude. I agree that Atum uses new, latest technologies. But this is not enough. I will not be able to recommend Joomla 4 to my clients, Museum employees, schools, teachers, and sellers, because I will be ashamed to teach them how to manage Atum. If Joomla 4 is the best, but the admin template is bad, then the CMS is not needed by anyone. It will not be used. I criticize Atum in Joomla 4, and I insist that people will continue to use joomla 3. But due to the fact that Joomla 3 libraries are outdated, Joomla will lose its superiority. Atum uses the FLAT design, this does not mean that the Flat design is bad. Design is an approach to style. But Atum's design is an inverted style. Let's remember the fate of Windows 8, Dear Joomla developers, designers and coders. I ask you to support me and not repeat the fate of Windows 8. Flat-the idea is good, but the poor implementation of the design showed what became of Windows 8. I will describe the Atum problems in the list. To reflect the fullness of the rationale, I need to describe examples of sites, people's reactions. I guess my description won't be short. I'll start with praise, the new Atum template uses new technologies and it's great. But I will only list the shortcomings of my understanding, which will not lead to solving problems, but only to an accurate description of the problems that will need to be solved. Let me remind you that the design should be not only beautiful but also convenient for fast and productive work. The best solution would be to migrate Isis to Joomla 4, or create a new template in the Isis style. I also support a side menu with sections. There are no complaints about the side menu with sections. There is also an opinion that if the interface should be associative and similar to other interfaces. In cinema, when they make a film about fiction and films about the future, there is a rule: "Reality can not be made too disconnected from reality, it must be the same items as in the present, only modified and improved."Because people will not understand anything at all. I will list from big problems to smaller ones. I. for example, open the article editor. 1.There's a problem with tabs. Tab color and fill: Material, Images/links, displays, parameters ... They have a color inversion of the opposite color in relation to the overall style of the site. This is wrong. The colors must be the same as the main text: black (blue) letters on light tabs. Suppose a blogger writes a blog. The blogger is completely immersed in his text. He writes his own text for 30 minutes every day. Every time he finishes writing text, he defocuses attention from the text and instead of seeing the SAVE button, he sees bright blue tabs that contrast across the entire site. Tabs are NOT the main thing, on the material editor page, the main thing is the SAVE button. Given example. MS Word program. It has a light panel with light buttons on the panel, only the button in the corner save. Here's a look at each window in Windows 10 (XP...) there is a main CLOSE button. This button is located in the very corner of the window. It is important that the button is in the corner. The corner is the very edge of the window. Even if you have a broken mouse and you can hardly get the mouse anywhere, you can always move it on the glass, wool, polishing the table, then moving the mouse diagonally up You will always get to the topmost point on the CLOSE button. So in MS Word, on the back of the close button, there is a SAVE button, the Save Button is also located in the upper-most corner, but on the back side. In an emergency, you can always click it with a broken mouse. Now I will give an example with the Windows 10 taskbar. Many people have a very dark taskbar(black). Although the color of the taskbar is black, the taskbar is not located in the center of the screen. Thus, the taskbar is no longer a part of the screen, the taskbar is perceived as a monitor body, it is no longer paid attention to, and the Black taskbar does not draw attention to itself. And if users have a light theme, then this theme looks the same with the light themes of other programs. But the important thing is that you will not find anything worse than the light taskbar combined with the black style of everything else. the light panel will take all the attention away from black sites and black Windows. And imagine you are watching a movie on your computer, and under the player is a white taskbar. This is terrible. The Windows taskbar rule is to be black or to be white if everything else is white. And the tab rule in the content editor in Atum J4 should be the same color as the entire site, or the tabs should become part of the edge site with fixed positioning.
2.The SAVE buttons should always be highlighted more than anything else. When you scroll the editor down, the buttons become fixed to the top edge. I suggest making the entire top panel dark (blue). And when you scroll through the editor, so that the SAVE buttons move to the top blue panel. The Isis template is exactly what is perceived by the human subconscious, I did not understand this before, I think that many did not fully understand the harmony of Isis. But it is exactly what you need, as it is such as the location of the CLOSE button in the corner in window Windows 10. 3.Remove the gray background between the blocks, leaving only a shadow. The site is overloaded. This style may have looked great only on the designer's design in Photoshop, since the designer on the layout had very few elements for example, 1-2 white blocks for visual volume it looked with a gray background. But when there were a lot of such blocks, it became obvious that the gray background is an extra volume. 4.There are big buttons everywhere. These big buttons are great. But let's separate the main concept, the area to click and the design of the button. In order for the button to be pressed on the touch screen, it is enough to make large indents around the buttons, and the readable text on the buttons, so the buttons will look harmonious and will not be hypertrophied. In addition, you can make the out area larger than the button design itself. 5.Tabs should be tabs and not just a black square on the panel. Consider the programs MS Word, MS Edge, Google Chrome, the active tab always has the color of the entire panel. The active tab is not a black rectangle with text, it is a full-fledged tab like people make bookmarks in the most ordinary books. Imagine you are holding a book with colored pages, blue, yellow, pink, light green pages. Now imagine Your book has bookmarks: blue, yellow, pink, light green. Now imagine you open a light green tab, but with this a pink page opens, You open a yellow tab, and with it a blue page opens. How Do You Like It?" convenient? Rule: the Active tab must be either the color of the entire page or black but at the very edge of the screen. (similar to the taskbar). Consider the Firefox tabs, in this browser the masonry is strictly rectangular, but even in this one, the Firefox tabs are located at the very edge of the screen, and the active tab also has the color of the entire panel. You need to apply the taskbar rule to tabs. the color and background should be the same as for all programs or be black, but from the very edge of the screen. In order not to attract attention to themselves. It is also bad for browser tabs to be light when black sites are present. It is bad to have light tabs when viewing movies in the browser in the full width of the window. Especially when there are dark scenes in the movies.
6.Tabs should be rounded, I agree that this does not correspond to the Flat style, but the Flat style should not be a hindrance to perception. The perception of the interface should remain the same as the design in a different style, the perception in the new style should be better or the same as in the old style. But if the perception gets worse. What the hell-this is a required style. What is the meaning of the new style if people with impaired vision do not perceive it. What is the meaning of the new style, if colorblind people will be confused. --- I will scold the style of Flat. 8.Buttons, menus, and fields must be rounded. I'll explain why. I will explain with the example of clothing. There are 2 types of clothing: comfortable and fashionable. If a person needs to run on a sports field, then it should not be done in a tie. And if a person works in an office, then it will be hot in running shoes. These clothes are for convenience. And there are clothes for prestige, Women walk in heels, it visually lengthens the legs. Walking in this is inconvenient, but shoes with heels are not for running, they are for working men to distract from their Affairs and switch their attention to the girl. Other girls react negatively to this behavior. Joomla 4 style should not distract, but focus on tasks, work, and blog. A bit of history even before Windows XP and during the use of Windows XP, there was a trend to make buttons convex, three-dimensional, with shadows, with a mirror image on the button, with the effect of glass. This occurred because the speed of computer processors was able to handle the volumes of information to create three-dimensional buttons. in the days of Windows 95, computer processors are not designed for Windows with convex glass buttons. Remember such programs as Windows Media 7 and WinAMP, these programs have become popular due to the possibility of effect of glass buttons. There was a fashion to draw three-dimensional buttons for WinAMP. Years passed, and the extra ones went away. Years later, people were interested in the program's functions, not the glass buttons. This way the buttons are simplified. Gone are the glass buttons, then gone are the volume buttons, then gone are the shadows. We can remember How ISIS lost volume a couple of years ago. But the buttons were still buttons.
In Joomla 3 Isis, each button had a button reaction. For example, the Red button when hovering the mouse became dark red, the green button when hovering the mouse became dark green, the blue button when hovering the mouse became dark blue, this is an illusion of clicking. This is just as normal as a mouse in Windows has a shadow. The shadow of the mouse is always lower than the mouse. The mouse arrow is always pointing up. So please explain why in Joomla 4 Atum when you hover the mouse over the button, the white button suddenly turns green or red? In the design of the designer, I assume there was no such thing. And I'm sure that there is no rule in the FLAT style that when you hover the mouse over a white button, it changes color to red or green. This behavior is not stylistic at all.
. Once again, as far as the button is concerned, fields become simple over the years, but they must remain associative and intuitive. . This way we can see how the style of buttons, fields, and menus is being simplified in joomla 4, but then please explain if we simplify buttons, fields, and menus in Joomla 4, then why do we load the perception with borders, gray backgrounds, and shadows. On the one hand, we adhere to the trend of the modern world to simplify the controls, but on the other hand, we overload the page itself with what we got rid of in the controls. In the design of the entire admin panel, we have saturated with shadows, gray background everything that should not have a volume, but at the same time removed the volume there that in its essence should have it. I ask everyone to take into account the criticism and complaints, correct the style to prevent the fate of Windows 8.