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Thanks for bringing this up, @gnarf!
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The Django Code of Conduct itself looks pretty straightforward and should be simple to adopt (replace Django* with jQuery*). One thing that may need discussion: Will we have a similar Code of Conduct Committee (or Working Group?), to monitor conduct@jquery.org? If so, who's going to be in that group? Will they also report to the board? If so, how? How would appeal's work, that is, how would someone contact the board to appeal a ban? Looks like the DSF forms the committee (aka working group) from board members.
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One thing that may need discussion: Will we have a similar Code of Conduct Committee (or Working Group?), to monitor conduct@jquery.org? If so, who's going to be in that group?
I would imagine we could open it up for volunteers, looking specifically for timezone coverage, community, team, and board representation.
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👍I'm available and willing to help on whatever. Great initiative!
Fantastic - thank you @gnarf! :+1:
Just getting to this now that I'm back from vacation. Along with what Jörn said, I think there needs to be some discussion about how everything will be managed, how we ensure new/upcoming team members are both aware of our policies and able to help enforce them. I'd like to participate in any discussions that occur.
I see W3C has a Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct which I thought was worth looking at.
W3C is pretty good about publicly reminding everyone about their conduct rules whenever someone misbehaves on a mailing list.
We may also want to draw from LibrePlanet's Code of Conduct and Anti-harassment policy. As usual, they touch on some of the more political/agenda pushing areas.
Opened PR #105 and a jquery-wp-content PR https://github.com/jquery/jquery-wp-content/issues/367
@scottgonzalez could you possibly figure out where you'd want to inject parts of that document and add a commit to the conduct branch? I like most of what I see there.
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Side: have you ever thought about diversity in the jQuery team? Except a few, you're all male, most straight, plus-minus same age, ...
@robbbz Has diversity been an issue in other Open Source organizations? Can you point at examples of how it has been addressed?
@JacquesPerrault Are you implying diversity is not an issue? If you see pictures like this I think it's pretty clear: https://twitter.com/jeresig/status/613888901778833412.
@robbz I think our feeling is that the first step in increasing diversity is to create a code of conduct. It's a good foundation don't you think? There are certainly steps that need to be taken after that, and we've committed to doing so. If you have suggestions let us know.
@robbz I was merely asking if you had any examples from other open source orgs that we could frame our conversation around, just as @gnarf did when he started this thread.
@dmethvin Can you give me some days and I'll write up a decent, longer answer? A CoC isn't about diversity it's about conduct. It's all about encouraging other people to contribute, which you're doing fundamentally wrong at the moment, more of an explanation following.
@JacquesPerrault you implied that it wasn't a problem, which I'd like apologies for.
@robbbz certainly! I certainly understand that diversity is a larger topic than just a CoC. My point was that if we are hostile to people (intentionally or accidentally) based on race, gender, etc. it will discourage them from participating.
@robbbz I fully embrace diversity, both personally and professionally. I certify to IBM's Diversity policy, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender policy, and Persons with Disabilities policy on an annual basis. I should have been absolutely clear on that on my first post, and I apologize for implying anything less!
I think what he meant was that it hadn't been raised as an issue yet.
Diversity is a tough challenge for any organization. A solid CoC is a great first step in the right direction don't you think?
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015, 07:33 robbbz notifications@github.com wrote:
@dmethvin https://github.com/dmethvin Can you give me some days and I'll write up a decent, longer answer? A CoC isn't about diversity it's about conduct. It's all about encouraging other people to contribute, which you're doing fundamentally wrong at the moment, more of an explanation following.
@JacquesPerrault https://github.com/JacquesPerrault you implied that it wasn't a problem, which I'd like apologies for.
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@dmethvin I agree -- a CoC can create a level playing field that enables contributors to be inclusive overall regardless of whether it's diversity of opinions, cultures, genders or other issues. Examples of how other orgs handle CoC include: Apache which includes diversity IN it's code of conduct : http://community.apache.org/newbiefaq.html#NewbieFAQ-IsthereaCodeofConductforApacheprojects? and OpenStack which formed a specific diversity committee https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Diversity
Side: have you ever thought about diversity in the jQuery team? Except a few, you're all male, most straight, plus-minus same age, ...
It is an issue, and @jeresig has started an initiative to try to fix this. I'm also interested in attracting more diverse community and collaborators, and I think having a good CoC makes it easier to approach the project as a member of a minorty group.
The problem we face is that being mostly volunteer, we attract people with "spare time" which happen to in a lot of cases be cis straight white males.
Also, please be careful of how you judge people based on avatar pics, I'd hope you wouldn't assume we are all straight. If you counted me in the "male" group, you'd be wrong.
Glad to hear that, Corey. Can you link me the relevant discussions?
Also, please be careful of how you judge people based on avatar pics, I'd hope you wouldn't assume we are all straight. If you counted me in the "male" group, you'd be wrong.
I really didn't judge based on avatars. I'm personally transsexual and found it terrible when people judged me based on pictures on Twitter or IRC.
Glad to hear that, Corey. Can you link me the relevant discussions?
There isn't any "link" to them, though if you wanted to open an issue here on jquery.org to bring up the topic in a more open space and start the public discussion we link to, please do.
I really didn't judge based on avatars.
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Would it make sense to adopt the Open Code of Conduct and build off that?
Dave, there is a lot of work already done on #105
Also Dave, that code seems to be based from the same one that Django used, so it is very similar in format to what we have in #105. Is there something particular about that code of conduct you feel ours is missing? (Please add comments to this regard over on that PR) On Jul 20, 2015 21:58, "Dave Methvin" notifications@github.com wrote:
Would it make sense to adopt the Open Code of Conduct http://todogroup.org/blog/open-code-of-conduct/ and build off that?
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My last comment was pretty useless, but I really wanted to express my excitement.
Thanks @gnarf for bringing this spectacular job.
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I think we need to publish a Code of Conduct to cover all events and online spaces we moderate (IRC, github, etc). I think we should have the board, and the teams in full agreement on this CoC, and "vote" on it just like we would anything else.
I think we should start with some minor modifications to the Django CoC https://www.djangoproject.com/conduct/ (please read, click on each of the sidebar links too, all of the pages are a part of the CoC). The Django policies are already modified to apply to online spaces and events, as well as have some great rules for editing/approving changes in place.
Unless anyone has big objections today or tomorrow, I'll get a PR made for bringing this content over from Django, and open it up for further refinement.
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