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David,
We'll have to use EMS for the requirement for zone fan control at 2F over
heating setpoint. As far as i know OS doesn't support EMS at present, we should
move the implementation of this task to Phase II and request the NREL team to
add this feature.
Using EMS, each fan would need to have a unique availability schedule, which is
controlled by EMS program to be =1 when zone setpoint is 2F above heating
setpoint, else is =0.
Regarding your second question, we should stick to the default flow fraction of
0.3 for the piu min flow fraction and we'll add the EMS implementation in the
future.
Original comment by supriya....@pnnl.gov
on 11 Oct 2014 at 12:06
Yes, you are correct, EMS is not supported in OS yet; I've cc'd Kyle to the
issue for future reference to an EMS application that is desired.
In the near term, I will set the PIU flow fraction to be equal to the min
terminal stop.
Original comment by da...@360-analytics.com
on 11 Oct 2014 at 11:07
David, we did some tests modeling the suggested approach in E+. in E+, the zone
fan comes on at all timesteps, based on the min flow fraction. This results in
overestimation of fan energy- as the fan is running during deadband mode as
well. The recommended workaround for this would be to set fan power =0. This
could be done by setting fan pressure drop to be negligible as well as 100% fan
and motor efficiency.
Since we have electric resistance reheat for all baseline systems with PIU
terminals, the assumption is that the additional reheat provided represent the
fan energy use. The end use breakdown is incorrect but overall energy use would
be accurate enough.
We've requested the E+ team to add a feature which controls the zone fan based
on zone temperature. Until then, we can use this workaround.
Let me know if you have any questions
Original comment by supriya....@pnnl.gov
on 30 Nov 2014 at 9:41
This is an OK workaround for the baseline electric PFBs, but if the proposed
design happens to use hot water coils, the cost savings will be skewed. Do you
want these rules only applied to the baseline design? In either case, the
approach you describe can be implemented in rules; please just let me know if
the rule applies to both the proposed and baseline.
For further consideration, is it perhaps appropriate to have the fan operating
whenever the system is near or at min flow? The Nailor catalog describes a
sequence on page D-7 that suggests it is:
http://www.nailor.com/onlineCatalog09/CAT-06/CATDFP.pdf
Thinking about this more, it makes sense that the PFB fan control sequence is
highly dependent on the min primary flow ratio. 30% of primary air, as
described in 90.1 PRM, may be what was deemed sufficient for maintaining
adequate ventilation air distribution effectiveness during deadband, and
therefore not require the zone fan to run.
IECC indicates the min. primary flow for PFBs is equal to the zone ventilation
air flow rate, in which case having the parallel fan operate based on min flow
fraction (during both deadband and heating) seems appropriate. Ultimately, I
think these questions come down to real-world air velocities and design of the
diffuser, both of which are not well described by the simulation program.
Original comment by da...@360-analytics.com
on 1 Dec 2014 at 6:36
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I don't think we can set the fan power to zero for hydronic systems in a
proposed building. That would underestimate the energy use too severely.
Regarding the terminal fans use to provide increased velocity for better
mixing, my understanding is that if that is an issue (which it often is) a
series terminal unit is used as that will run at all times including during
minimum flow. There is really no good solution to this problem until E+ gets
fixed. I would be OK running the terminal unit fan in the proposed during
deadband, but running it at night or at all times the terminal is off is really
too great a penalty and would never be done in reality. There are lots of ways
to control the PFPTU fan, but for the baseline it would make most sense to
control it thermostatically at some setpoint just above heating setpoint. Here
are a couple of other sequence descriptions.
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&cad=rja&uact=8&
ved=0CCoQFjACOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.peci.org%2Fftguide%2Fftg%2FTest_guidance%2
FTests%2FTG15-Terminal_Units.doc&ei=7E5uVKXbIo2dygSIqoE4&usg=AFQjCNHEf3jSea-Yg6m
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Parallel fan-powered terminal units: The sequences of operations are similar
to those outlined above for a cooling load. When the zone temperature
approaches the heating setpoint, the primary air damper modulates to the
minimum cooling flow rate and the fan turns on to temper the supply air with
air from the return plenum. If the zone temperature continues to drops below
heating temperature setpoint, then the primary air damper remains at the
minimum cooling flow rate, the fan stays enabled, and the reheat valve
modulates open as necessary to maintain zone temperature setpoint.
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http://www.pcs-engineering.com/files/Sequences_from_Practical_Controls.pdf
Parallel Fan Powered Boxes with Heat
Occupied Mode
An individual zone sensor (one per zone/box) transmits zone temperature and
zone setpoint information to the fan powered box controller. The controller in
turn modulates the primary air damper in order to deliver the appropriate
amount of cool air from the medium pressure duct into the zone. The air
delivered into the zone is of variable volume and constant temperature. As the
zone temperature falls toward setpoint, the damper is modulated closed toward
its minimum position. When the zone temperature reaches setpoint, the damper
reaches its minimum position. If the temperature in the zone falls below
setpoint, the fan energizes to circulate warm air from the plenum. The plenum
air is blended with the minimal cool air from the primary air damper, and
delivered to the zone. If the temperature in the zone continues to fall, then
terminal unit [electric / hot water] heat is engaged. The further the
temperature falls from zone setpoint, the more heat is engaged.
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Your discussion of proposed building issues makes me concerned about how series
FPTUs are controlled in E+. I don't think we have looked at this. Do we know if
the TU fan is also running when the main system is off?
Original comment by bikerose...@gmail.com
on 1 Dec 2014 at 5:51
In your testing of the FPTUs, did you assign an Availability Schedule that
matches the system availability to the terminal? If not, then yes, the zone
fans will run all the time.
CBECC currently sets the terminal availability schedule (TrmlUnit:AvailSchRef)
to match the system schedule. Doing so, I see that the parallel box fan only
runs when the zone is at minimum primary air flow fraction, and that the series
box fan only runs when the system is scheduled on.
I am currently testing whether the terminal availability is overridden by
AvailabilityManager:NightCycle. I believe it should be, but in reviewing
results for other AirTerminals, I am seeing that it is not (see issue 862). I
will have to review to see if this is also an issue for FPTUs.
Original comment by da...@360-analytics.com
on 1 Dec 2014 at 7:22
Original issue reported on code.google.com by
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on 9 Oct 2014 at 3:54