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I just ran the current 030032-OffMed-S901GElectric model with current rules and
found that both the proposed and baseline use the same library curve:
FanVSDGoodSpResetPwrRatio_fCFMRatio
which matches the Advanced VAV Design Guide "Good SP Reset VSD Fan" curve. Are
you finding something different?
Currently the property AirSys:CtrlSysType is what is used to differentiate
between systems with or without SP Reset, and therefore, this property is a key
criteria for determining the fan curve.
Here is a general outline of the current rules if the system Fan:CtrlMthd =
VariableSpeedDrive
For relief fans, use "Perfect SP Reset VSD Fan" curve
For SZVAV supply/return fans, use "Perfect SP Reset VSD Fan" curve
For MZVAV supply/return fans and AirSys:CtrlSysType = "DDCToZone", use "Good SP
Reset VSD Fan" curve
For MZVAV supply/return fans and AirSys:CtrlSysType = "Other", use the "Any fan
with VSD" curve. For the PRMRM, this curve matched the curve in Appendix G, not
the curve with the same name in T24. I checked the 901 curve library and see
that this curve did not get revised from when it was copied over from T24, so I
will fix that unless you indicate otherwise.
The fan curve rules applies to both the baseline and proposed; users cannot yet
define their own curves.
Please let me know if these rules should be revised.
Original comment by da...@360-analytics.com
on 2 Dec 2014 at 5:49
So, it looks like the user cannot specify if the proposed design uses SP reset?
Original comment by bikerose...@gmail.com
on 2 Dec 2014 at 6:22
There is currently no explicit property used to define if there is SP Reset.
We can add one. Right now, it is assumed that if they specify 'DDCToZone'
control, the design does include SP reset.
Original comment by da...@360-analytics.com
on 2 Dec 2014 at 6:53
SP reset is a prescriptive requirement, so the designer is not forced to
include it. It would be better if they did not include it, that they would be
penalized. So some trigger to indicate whether the design includes SP reset
would be best for the proposed building. If no SP reset, then the standard VAV
curve should be used.
Original comment by bikerose...@gmail.com
on 2 Dec 2014 at 7:23
Here is a proposed resolution:
1) Add new property, AirSys:HasStaticPressRst, type integer (0/1)
2) In AirSystem UI dialog, add a checkbox next to AirSys:CtrlSysType to toggle
this property.
3) Revise rules, as follows
For supply/return fans with Fan:CtrlMthd = "VariableSpeedDrive"
if AirSys:CtrlSysType = "DDCToZone" and AirSys:HasStaticPressRst = 1
then fan curve = "Good SP Reset VSD Fan"
else fan curve = "Any fan with VSD" curve
For supply/return fans with other Fan:CtrlMthd options, proposed curve is based
on fan properties Class and CentType, and is independent of the control system
/ SP reset.
The baseline fan curve for VariableSpeedDrive fans is always "Good SP Reset VSD
Fan"
Original comment by da...@360-analytics.com
on 3 Dec 2014 at 12:15
Started working on this and reading the PRMRM language in 3.7.3.2, Static
Pressure Controls, the language suggests two cases where SP Reset is
applicable; either static control based on sensors in the main trunk -or- DDC
of terminals to reset based on zone requiring most pressure.
Question: Are these indeed two different strategies, and if so, do you want to
distinguish between the two with different fan curves? Up to now, I've assumed
that credit for SP Reset will only be applicable to systems with "DDCToZone",
but the language in the PRMRM and 90.1 seems to suggest two different
approaches to meeting the prescriptive requirement.
Original comment by da...@360-analytics.com
on 4 Dec 2014 at 7:09
This is a mistake in the PRM language. It should read:
Static pressure sensors used to control VAV fans shall be placed in a position
such that the controller setpoint is no greater than one-third the total design
fan static pressure. For systems with DDC of individual zone boxes reporting to
the central control panel, static pressure setpoint shall be reset based on the
zone requiring the most pressure.
Original comment by bikerose...@gmail.com
on 4 Dec 2014 at 7:51
So, still proceed with plan to only use 'Good' SP curve in proposed design if
'DDCToZone' and SP Reset is checked?
Original comment by da...@360-analytics.com
on 4 Dec 2014 at 9:42
Yes, that is the proper approach.
Original comment by bikerose...@gmail.com
on 4 Dec 2014 at 10:33
[deleted comment]
Rules updated and committed to branch @ r2818. Branch will be merged to trunk
on 12/5 after v3a release is wrapped up.
Switching owner to SG for tracking PRMRM updates.
Original comment by da...@360-analytics.com
on 4 Dec 2014 at 11:24
These rules merged to trunk on 12/12 @ r2843
Original comment by da...@360-analytics.com
on 18 Dec 2014 at 3:53
Original issue reported on code.google.com by
supriya....@pnnl.gov
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