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Would Love to have it in the Now Playing List #57

Open GoogleCodeExporter opened 9 years ago

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
I know there's a difference between streaming and pushing / pulling, but PyTivo 
shows up in the Now Playing list.  The TiVo Premiere allows Netflix to be shown 
in the Now Playing list.  If there was some way for streambaby to show up in 
the Now Playing List it would be great.

As it is, I need to keep pytivo running for the kids and wife, so they just 
have one place to go.  I use streambaby, and like it a lot, but if there was a 
way to have it show up in the Now Playing List, it would be universally used by 
everyone.

Original issue reported on code.google.com by DSpaz...@gmail.com on 30 Sep 2010 at 4:21

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
It's not possible for apps that use the HME protocol(like streambaby) to append 
to the NPL. Netflix is a special case that TiVo, Inc. has shoehorned in (btw, 
Netflix in the NPL available to all the S3, HD and above Tivos, not just the 
Premiere).  pyTivo uses a different protocol, HMO, to announce shared videos to 
the Tivo.  It simply presents a formatted list of content it is is sharing to 
the Tivo, and the Tivo unit handles the display and transfer functions.  
Streambaby actually draws all of the graphics and text, as well as managing the 
video display and playback controls. There are no publicly documented methods 
(or even known hacks) to add HME apps, other kinds of content to the NPL, other 
than HMO shares(pytivo, tivo desktop, and other tivos on the network are 
examples of HMO shares).

It's within the remote realm of possibility for streambaby to implement the HMO 
protcol, but then the end result would be a clone of the functionality pyTivo 
already offers.  Streaming wouldn't be possible, nor would the extended 
functionalities streambaby offers like subtitling, extra metadata, and remote 
file deletion. Unfortunately, you'd gain nothing over what pyTivo can already 
provide.

Not saying it's a bad idea, but without help from TiVo, Inc. there's not much 
the devs can do to change this.

Original comment by gonzotek on 30 Sep 2010 at 6:34

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
Is it possible to look at the Netflix app, and what the Tivo is doing to put it 
in the Now playing, and "Spoof" it so the Tivo thinks Streambaby is a second 
netflix app, or something like that?  Even if it required a hack on the Tivo 
itself, it seems like it'd be useful.

Original comment by DSpaz...@gmail.com on 30 Sep 2010 at 8:28

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago 
It might be, and this is really over my skill level, but my understanding is 
that traffic between the tivo and services like Netflix and other 'official' 
hme apps is encrypted.  Some of the current streambaby functionality was 
actually reverse engineered thanks to man-in-the-middle attacks on the 
encryption: watching the traffic in either direction between the youtube app 
and the servers enabled people to see what had to be done to get the tivo to 
accept a video stream. The encryption and lack of support is also the reason 
the 1.1GB buffer has never been overcome, no one outside of TiVo knows how to 
request a larger buffer or how to discard the tail end of the buffer for more 
content at the head end (or even if it's possible). If I can find the forum or 
wiki posts I think I'm remembering I'll post them here in a comment for 
reference.

Original comment by gonzotek on 30 Sep 2010 at 11:33