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Erzya expert update is missing #7

Open SamPassmore opened 1 year ago

SamPassmore commented 1 year ago

The expert Erzya file is not in the dataset.

Terhi has sent it to Sam in an excel sheet.

tekahon commented 1 year ago

The current Erzya data seems to be from IDS so as a result there are problems e.g. in how the relative age distinction is coded. Therefore I'd suggest replacing the current Erzya data with the list obtained from Nina where the relative age distinction is in the correct way.

SamPassmore commented 1 year ago

@tekahon could you provide me with a reference for Nina's transcription of the kinterms? So that I can replace the data.

SamPassmore commented 1 year ago

Hi terhi,

There are two files Erzya and ErzyaMordvin. Should we be treating those as different?

tekahon commented 1 year ago

Erzya_erzy1239 (where erina_erzya_2015 is the source) is the old file, which should be replaced with Niina's sheet and put to the Varikin folder.

With reference you mean what should be put to the sources.bib file? The expert is Niina Aasmäe who is a native speaker of Erzya and a linguist studying Erzya. She sent me the list in 2020. Let me know if you also need some other information for this.

kinura_ErzyaMordvinerzy1239 is the one collected by Niklas and should stay in Kinura repository (I assume this is the one you meant with ErzyaMordvin - at least I couldn't find a file with a name ErzyaMordvin without the kinura part in it).

SamPassmore commented 1 year ago

Does Niina have an academic affiliation? Or could we link them to a particular place where Ezrya is spoken?

To be clear - we are treating Erzya and Erzya Mordovin as separate languages? (currently, they have the same glottocode).

tekahon commented 1 year ago

Yes, Niina is at the University of Tartu, at the Institute of Estonian and General linguistics.

Nope, they are one language (so it is correct that they have the same glottocode). There are two Mordvin languages, Erzya and Moksha, so sometimes people use just Erzya but sometimes Erzya Mordvin.