Dreamcast MMU/WinCE Support

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i hope in future,nulldc can support dreamcast vmu,support windows ce games

Original issue reported on code.google.com by tq03q9i@gmail.com on 19 May 2010 at 7:35

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Very Sorry,MMU support,I'm Spelling mistake

Original comment by tq03q9i@gmail.com on 19 May 2010 at 7:38

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Better? :)

Original comment by KrossX3 on 26 May 2010 at 4:06

• Changed title: Dreamcast MMU Support
• Added labels: Type-Enhancement
• Removed labels: Type-Defect

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yes,because i hope nudlldc runing super robot wars alpha for dreamcast,that is 
a 
great game

Original comment by tq03q9i@gmail.com on 26 May 2010 at 1:11

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Let's keep this one as a placeholder for related issues.

Original comment by KrossX3 on 31 May 2010 at 3:49

• Changed title: Dreamcast MMU/WinCE Support
• Added labels: Priority-Low
• Removed labels: Priority-Medium

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Issue 11 has been merged into this issue.

Original comment by KrossX3 on 31 May 2010 at 3:49

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Issue 75 has been merged into this issue.

Original comment by KrossX3 on 31 May 2010 at 3:49

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Issue 101 has been merged into this issue.

Original comment by Mr.PsyMan on 31 May 2010 at 5:18

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Support!

Original comment by rompecal...@gmail.com on 14 Jun 2010 at 1:12

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Issue 152 has been merged into this issue.

Original comment by KrossX3 on 26 Jun 2010 at 8:17

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rompecalson, are you saying that there is support for MMU or support for WinCE? 
 I thought MMU was already supported in older versions (there was an extra 
executable with "mmu" a the end of the name).  Either way, I haven't been able 
to run any WinCE games still.

Original comment by Joseph...@gmail.com on 21 Jul 2010 at 10:15

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I also would like to see support for WinCE games. Armada is great fun and I'd 
love to play it again on my PC.

Original comment by brandon....@gmail.com on 27 Jul 2010 at 11:59

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Issue 179 has been merged into this issue.

Original comment by KrossX3 on 31 Jul 2010 at 11:52

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Issue 182 has been merged into this issue.

Original comment by KrossX3 on 4 Aug 2010 at 1:20

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Ah, WinCe. I know many good games for WinCe: Armada, Spider Man, Who Wants To 
Beat Up a Millionaire, Nightmare Creatures 2 etc. I am suprised that NullDC 
still have not WinCE support.
P.S. Spider Man (WinCE game) is playable on NullDC. It's strange :O

Original comment by proletar...@gmail.com on 3 Oct 2010 at 5:25

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I don't think Spider-Man's a Windows CE game, it doesn't show the WinCE logo on 
the 'Presented by Sega' boot screen.

There's lots of good WinCE games which would be nice to see on nullDC, 
StarLancer and Sega Rally 2 to add to those you listed.

Original comment by matbur...@gmail.com on 3 Oct 2010 at 7:54

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The question is, is it worth a 10-15% slowdown + a few weeks of development it 
requires ?

Original comment by drkIIRaziel on 4 Oct 2010 at 8:42

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Ehm... yes!?

Original comment by Mr.PsyMan on 4 Oct 2010 at 9:06

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@drkIIRaziel:  I think it's worth the 10-15% slowdown for those of us with 
computers already more than capable of handling most, if not all, games at full 
speed.  Maybe have an option to disable WinCE support for users with slower 
computers or who just don't want it enabled for non-WinCE games.

Regarding the few weeks of development required to implement it, that is up to 
you and any other coders who would be working on it.

Original comment by Joseph...@gmail.com on 4 Oct 2010 at 9:16

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Would the 10-15% slowdown have to apply at all times, or just for WinCE games? 
Could a WinCE game be auto-detected (by opcode maybe) and then the extra code 
kicks in?

And yes, we'd love you forever raz if you add WinCE support. I might even 
donate :O

Original comment by matbur...@gmail.com on 4 Oct 2010 at 10:33

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Well, it'd make the dynarec much more complex, and i don't want to dupplicate 
code all over, so it'l affect speed on all games. Not as much as it'l affect 
wince ones though.

 JosephRAA: My timeslice for nulldc is allocated for all the ndc related deving. By doing mmu i will not do something else :p

Original comment by drkIIRaziel on 4 Oct 2010 at 12:30

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I wonder if I'll be and emulation grandpa when raz will be done with MMU 
implementation...

Original comment by Mr.PsyMan on 4 Oct 2010 at 1:57

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Hopefully by then we'l have enough donations to get you a newer pc, so you can 
like .. test again ? Seriously, beeing tied to dx9 is no half fun -.-

Original comment by drkIIRaziel on 4 Oct 2010 at 2:15

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In our dreams.

Original comment by Mr.PsyMan on 4 Oct 2010 at 2:34

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WinCE support is the only feature missing in nullDC imo :) You should do it, 
guys!

Original comment by rimmerp...@gmail.com on 13 Oct 2010 at 12:22

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Really? So you think Dreamcast can't use microphone, right? What about NetPlay? 
What about VS Link Cable game? What about Dreameye (web cam for DC)? Dreamcast 
has so many features are not supported by ANY existing emulator (neither 
NullDC, nor Makaron or Demul). But they are not so important as WinCE support.

Original comment by proletar...@gmail.com on 17 Oct 2010 at 1:54

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He meant the only worthwhile feature ;)

Original comment by matbur...@gmail.com on 17 Oct 2010 at 5:15

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WinCE, after all, very restricted, limited patform (when it comes to 3D/Games 
capabilities), and DX6 can't be helped. So, games on WinCE has not-so-good 
graphics and, in most case, somewhat boring gameplay, so I think this priority 
is low deservedly. Also in general, they require mouse and keyboard for descent 
control, or real gamepad...

Original comment by old.liq...@gmail.com on 22 Dec 2010 at 2:34

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I do not think that Resident Evil 2 is boring or require mouse and keyboard ...

Original comment by tapcio on 22 Dec 2010 at 6:38

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I'm crying for WinCE support. The only DC emu supporting it is Makaron but it 
has some stability and gfx issues that makes games like Super Robot Wars Alpha 
unplayable. So I'm crossing my fingers for nullDC with WinCE support! :)

Original comment by jacek.tr...@gmail.com on 7 Jan 2011 at 10:56

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Please raise the priority on this one. There are so many great games that use 
WinCE. Here is a list of USA based ones:
4x4 Evolution
Armada
Atari Anniversary Edition
Bust-A-Move 4
Caesars Palace 2000
Championship Pro Surfer
Ducati World
Hidden and Dangerous
KISS Psycho Circus
Maximum Pool
Midway's Greatest Arcade Hits Vol. 1
Midway's Greatest Arcade Hits Vol. 2
Next Tetris, The - Online Edition
NFL Quarterback Club 2000
NFL Quarterback Club 2001
Nightmare Creatures II
Railroad Tycoon II
Rainbow Six
Resident Evil 2
Sega Rally 2
South Park: Chefs Luv Shack
Spirit of Speed 1937
Starlancer
Super Runabout: San Francisco Edition
Tomb Raider Chronicles
Tomb Raider The Last Revelation
Who Wants To Beat Up A Millionaire
Wild Metal
Worms Armageddon
Worms World Party

I have personally tested them and they all freeze a the Sega load screen give 
an OPCODE error

Original comment by thelucid...@aol.com on 30 Apr 2011 at 6:50

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wince is a portable os developed for mini-laptops and pda's so instead of 
begging for it to be emulated here why not try to run it in virtual box.

Original comment by psion...@gmail.com on 3 May 2011 at 5:34

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@psion...@gmail.com,

Because is not possible, VirtualBox is x86/x86_64 emulator, DC have SH-4 
processor. It's a complete different architecture.

Original comment by tapcio on 3 May 2011 at 9:52

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This is the single most significant outstanding issue w/ nullDC.

Aside from pathological and impractical speed issues (i.e., cases where *no* 
commodity hardware is fast enough), no optimizations in speed are a substitute 
for enormous gaps in functionality.

tl;dr: nobody cares how fast it is if it can't do what you want.

Original comment by xalto...@gmail.com on 19 Sep 2011 at 9:42

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I want Windows CE support in NullDC too :(
I wanna be able to play Super Robot Taisen and Sega Rally 2 again :/

Original comment by omega...@gmail.com on 21 Oct 2011 at 6:10

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You have my vote for Wince support! :)

Original comment by OldEC...@gmail.com on 16 Nov 2011 at 3:33

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WinCE requires creating a new emulator. If it will be created some day, I think 
this programm should be named like "NullDC-CE" or something... For example, now 
we have two emulators: NullDC & NullDC_NAOMI.

Original comment by N2008eo...@rambler.ru on 16 Nov 2011 at 8:30

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Demul supports winCE

Original comment by sh.rahma...@gmail.com on 8 Aug 2012 at 1:29

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Demul runs extremely slowly, not worth it.

Original comment by BBoy.Vec...@gmail.com on 27 Feb 2015 at 12:57