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Remove lehd_j2jexplorer_schema documentation until J2J app transitions to V4.2 #81

Closed larsvilhuber closed 6 years ago

larsvilhuber commented 6 years ago

the app is currently on V4.2a-draft. To avoid user confusion, remove the documentation (but not the metadata)

larsvilhuber commented 6 years ago

This is fine, since the documentation is just a view onto the metadata, and does not impact usability.

heathhayward commented 6 years ago

Thanks for creating this issue.

heathhayward commented 6 years ago

Only change I recommend would be: in Indicators section, let's list all 4 "variables_j2j*.csv" files (since j2japp now only includes the app-created indicators). otherwise this looks good - I like the addition of the Metadata section at the bottom.

larsvilhuber commented 6 years ago

@srt1 @heathhayward : why are the first two rows in the j2japp file, when they appear to be identical to variables/indicators in the standard j2j file:

j2japp:

J2J j2j_doma2 sJ2J Job-to-Job Flows Job flows with a short or no observed nonemployment spell Count Hire 1
J2JS fj2j_doma2 sJ2JS Stable Job-to-Job Flows Job flows from stable employment into stable employment with a short or no observed nonemployment spell Count Hire 1

j2j:

J2JHire j2j_doma2 sJ2JHire Job-to-Job Hires Hires following a separation (short or no observed nonemployment spell) Count Hire 1
EEHireS fee_doma2 sEEHireS Stable Job-to-Job Hires (Continuous Employment) Hires to stable employment following a separation from stable employment with no observed nonemployment spell Count Hire 1
srt1 commented 6 years ago

J2J is the same as J2JHire, just as EE on measures_j2j is the same as EEHire on measures_j2jod. EEHireS is a different measure than J2JS, which has no equivalent on the core file - it is the sum of EEHireS and AQHireS.

But I suspect I am missing the point of the question...

larsvilhuber commented 6 years ago

The point of the question was:

the first two lines are from variables_j2japp.csv , which was intended to be a supplement to the core variables_j2j.csv. So if J2J is just a "rename" of J2JHire, should it be on the file? Has the J2J team signed off on the alternate description of that variable?

if yes, then fine, but that should be explained in the surrounding text.

For J2JS != EEHireS, without looking at the data, and only at the definitions, that is an EXTRAordinarily subtle point. But I guess I'm several months late for that.

I'm fine with J2JS as long as it is defined in the J2J long and short documentation.

This is not an urgent item, we can punt the whole thing into V4.2-rc2 or even later. However, strictly speaking, we can add variables_j2japp.csv into a later 4.2.x release, but we cannot REMOVE items from it if it is added. That's a decision that we'll have to make.

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J2J is the same as J2JHire, just as EE on measures_j2j is the same as EEHire on measures_j2jod. EEHireS is a different measure than J2JS, which has no equivalent on the core file - it is the sum of EEHireS and AQHireS.

But I suspect I am missing the point of the question...

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srt1 commented 6 years ago

It's not a rename, really; it is the creation of an identical variable using components on the J2JOD table. But again, not a good discussion to have in a ticket. I'm lost.

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The point of the question was:

the first two lines are from variables_j2japp.csv , which was intended to be a supplement to the core variables_j2j.csv. So if J2J is just a "rename" of J2JHire, should it be on the file? Has the J2J team signed off on the alternate description of that variable?

if yes, then fine, but that should be explained in the surrounding text.

For J2JS != EEHireS, without looking at the data, and only at the definitions, that is an EXTRAordinarily subtle point. But I guess I'm several months late for that.

I'm fine with J2JS as long as it is defined in the J2J long and short documentation.

This is not an urgent item, we can punt the whole thing into V4.2-rc2 or even later. However, strictly speaking, we can add variables_j2japp.csv into a later 4.2.x release, but we cannot REMOVE items from it if it is added. That's a decision that we'll have to make.

-- Lars Vilhuber, Economist Cornell University, Executive Director, Labor Dynamics Institute and ILR School - Department of Economics

e: lars.vilhuber@cornell.edu p: +1.607-330-5743 v: https://cornell.zoom.us/my/larsvilhuber w: http://lars.vilhuber.com/ http://lars.vilhuber.com/

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J2J is the same as J2JHire, just as EE on measures_j2j is the same as EEHire on measures_j2jod. EEHireS is a different measure than J2JS, which has no equivalent on the core file - it is the sum of EEHireS and AQHireS.

But I suspect I am missing the point of the question...

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