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IETF Internet-Draft about X.509 certificates with composite keys and signatures.
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Adding an Applicability Statement to the draft #40

Closed yoavnir closed 1 month ago

yoavnir commented 2 months ago

When the composite sigs draft was adopted, the WG concluded that this was a useful technology, but only useful in certain places. I suggest adding an "Applicability Statement" to the draft, calling out those places where the technology is applicable.

As I understand it, the biggest justification for composite signatures is that we don't entirely trust either the classic or the PQ algorithms, the classic because maybe the attacker has a CRQC, and the PQ algorithm because it's too new. So people are hesitant to deploy pure PQ certificates, because if the PQ algorithm turns out to be broken, replacing all the certificates would take a long time and be very difficult or expensive. This is more or less relevant to different use cases.

I don't now have proposed text, but just off the top of my head:

ounsworth commented 2 months ago

Are they suitable for the Web? Are they suitable for intranets? For VPNs and SD-WANs? For storage area networks? For cluster communications such as distributed storage systems? For infrastructure?

I think yes to all of the above; composite-ML-DSA has exactly the same applicability as regular ML-DSA is. I believe (and Entrust recommends to our customers) that this is useful literally everywhere; that the hybrid is a small price to pay for some extra comfort with these new crypto algorithms. Let me flip the question around: perhaps it's easier to list the place that composites are not appropriate? The only one that comes to mind are highly bandwidth / CPU constrained use cases where your tolerance on ML-DSA is so tight that you can't even tolerate X25519 on top.

The draft already contains this text, which I think is fairly clear:

Cautious implementers may opt to combine cryptographic algorithms in such a way that an attacker would need to break all of them simultaneously to compromise the protected data. These mechanisms are referred to as Post-Quantum/Traditional (PQ/T) Hybrids [I-D.driscoll-pqt-hybrid-terminology]. Certain jurisdictions are already recommending or mandating that PQC lattice schemes be used exclusively within a PQ/T hybrid framework. The use of Composite scheme provides a straightforward implementation of hybrid solutions compatible with (and advocated by) some governments and cybersecurity agencies [BSI2021].

But I'll go ahead and add the following sentence to the draft.

"Composite ML-DSA is applicable in any application that would otherwise use ML-DSA, but wants the protection against breaks or catastrophic bugs in ML-DSA."

johngray-dev commented 2 months ago

The authors agree with the blanked statement Mike is suggesting. On September 11th we decided to mention this at IETF 121.

johngray-dev commented 1 month ago

The text has been added into the Draft as suggested above. @yoavnir do you agree?