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Future session ideas #18

Open frnsys opened 7 years ago

frnsys commented 7 years ago

Dumping some possibilities for future sessions...if we get enough maybe we can be deliberate about ordering them?

parkan commented 7 years ago

interested in option 3 in particular

dantaeyoung commented 7 years ago

All sound great! I'm particularly interested in the second one.

Another topic (which could very well be incorporated into any of these) could be 'Applied Cybernetics', or 'actionable heuristics', or 'How To Incorporate Cybernetics Into Your Own Life' -- as in cybernetics.

I'm not quite sure the specifics of what this would entail, but I'm thinking of a set of discussions around what it means to 'use' cybernetics in a personal life. Since it seems like military/organizational/business has utilized cybernetic principles early on, it might be interesting to find other applicable versions.

(Is 'being cybernetic' about being mindful of undersea fiber cables when you watch Netflix? Not taking Uber, or taking Uber? In the same way that there's an 'ethics' of conscious food consumption (artisanal, free-range, vegetarian-fed, organic, etc?), is there an ethics of cybernetics-y infrastructure awareness? Does one incorporate a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OODA_loop into one's own life to self-diagnose one's own strategy? Etc. etc.)

frnsys commented 7 years ago

yes! i love that idea @provolot. maybe there are two threads there: 1) "thinking cybernetically" more broadly (e.g. undersea fiber cables, food production, etc) but maybe also 2) "cybernetic introspection", thinking about yourself, your own thought processes, etc, cybernetically (not sure if this is part of what you meant though)

frnsys commented 7 years ago

also i hadn't heard of the OODA loop before but there's a pentagram in there lol:

tarngerine commented 7 years ago

All sound dope. Introspection and economy 

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also i hadn't heard of the OODA loop before but there's a pentagram in there lol:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/OODA.Boyd.svg/929px-OODA.Boyd.svg.png

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urcades commented 7 years ago

Such an amazing diagram 💯

The idea of a 'Self-Applied Cybernetics' would be a fun thread to follow, if only to begin formulating methods of self-regulation as an individual within a greater and more complex world.

After reading through Inventing the future, it got me thinking about how using cybernetics as a lens thru which to visualize the political landscape would be cool! Within the book, there was a brief mention of CyberSyn that highlighted an attempt at regulating an entire socialist country via cybernetic methods, which was really cool to read about within the context of the entire book.

I can see points 1 & 2 being a nice meld of sorts, which could be explored in and of themselves in multiple sessions. Perhaps we could structure the next 3 or so sessions as an intentional 'series' of sorts? idk!!!!

frnsys commented 7 years ago

also interesting:

design + cybernetics, across scales:

cybernetics in urban planning > architecture/built environment > products or the parallel of software and its stack (- @edouerd)

dantaeyoung commented 7 years ago

Yes! Worth looking at re: urban planning/arch + cybernetics:

the architect cedric price and 'cybernetician' gordon pask: http://www.candidejournal.net/article/the-mcappy-project/ http://www.bcchang.com/transfer/articles/2/18346584.pdf

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also interesting:

design + cybernetics, across scales:

cybernetics in urban planning > architecture/built environment > products or the parallel of software and its stack (- @edouerd https://github.com/edouerd)

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frnsys commented 7 years ago

dropping "logistics" as a future topic

dantaeyoung commented 7 years ago

Potential Topics:

PSAs:

Communication Channels?

wileycount commented 7 years ago

I imagine it's further along in the future, but I'd be glad to (co)organize the cybernetics + architecture/planning.

It might be interesting to simply frame it as "Cybernetics and Space" in order to capture the range of possible spatial and temporal scales and to encapsulate the complexity of the system.

frnsys commented 7 years ago

@wileycount definitely feel free to get started on that one - "Cybernetics and Space" sounds great. you can open a separate issue and start soliciting/dumping readings into there :)