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CLDF dataset derived from Lionnet's "Relaciones Internas de la Rama Sonorense" from 1985
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vowel combinations #5

Open LinguList opened 2 years ago

LinguList commented 2 years ago

@Maunus, we have multiple ways to handle vowel sequences. But the question is what you think is best here. If I have something like "a ó", this indicates we are dealing with two syllables, I assume for now, and I heard that in some SA languages it is then useful to keep the separation in instances like a a, so one can align the first and the second part, even if it is a dipthong or a long vowel. I also saw we have cases where we have a glottal stop inside these vowel-vowel combinations.

A short overview on what you know here about the languages would be helpful.

Maunus commented 2 years ago

I think that it is best to keep them separate in all cases. Both because sometimes one of the vowels corresponds to a consonant in the cognates, and because sometimes they are the result of an h or glottal stop disappearing. The exception is when Lionnet writes ii, aa, oo etc. in which case they are long vowels, I think we could write those i:, a:, o: etc. I do think it may be useful to write longvowels as two separate syllables because sometimes they are a result of coalescence so that eg. /hipi/ can become [i:] when p first becomes an h and then both h's later disappears. If instead of i: we write then we will be able to align better.

LinguList commented 2 years ago

Thanks, the solution is then as I made the conversion now (leave things separate), and later, one can merge sounds into evolving units (I am about to write a paper on this), where one can "de-segment" them, while keeping them distinct, e.g., writing something like "a.a" means: two vowels, maybe two syllables, but we see them as one unit that evolves. This works even for consonant-vowel sequences in EDICTOR.

LinguList commented 2 years ago

Disadvantage is: it has to be done manually, but I think that is fine, we do not have too much data now.