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Drafting the Liberland Constitution
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RYgEHcb2oMgYJOa2MWUxe8E0aHRIgDpsiMG21MACIVg/edit#heading=h.fp3y74i7s4wi
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Sanctions for bad law proposals #19

Closed fare closed 9 years ago

fare commented 9 years ago

If there is no sanction for people proposing bad laws, then they can keep proposing them until they are voted in. The late Athenian democracy had to institute rules punishing people who proposed bad laws.

ghost commented 9 years ago

impossible to put into practice, sorry

Zephram-C commented 9 years ago

What is a bad law? We have general right of veto by the Citizens. Currently: §13(1) Any Bill vetoed by the Citizens in the referendum shall be considered void and shall not be revived for at least a year. This seems good enough mechanism. Maybe a year is too long, maybe too short. But forever would be too long. Situation and priorities can change and bad law can become good law. Law conflicting with constitution are irrelevant anyway.

fare commented 9 years ago

In Athens, if the vote gathered fewer than 25% of ballots or so, its promoter was fined.

If we further require all laws to include a budget limit, the fine could be made proportional to the required budget.

tinkyholloway commented 9 years ago

I don't like the idea of the state punishing people. In this case however only the Cabinet can initiate legislation on which the Assembly needs to pass before allowing citizen veto. I'd be happy to keep the Assembly tied up debating and rejecting crap laws. The Assembly has the power to remove Cabinent members so I would see this as good enough feedback on low quality legislation being introduced.

Athens, I assume, was a direct democracy where the population could introduce legislation. The proposed C of Liberland is quite different (fortunately).

ghost commented 9 years ago

I agree with @tinkyholloway