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Damien Hirst's In and Out of Love (Butterfly Paintings and Ashtrays) consists of 8 paintings, household paint on canvas with butterflies; 4 boxes; 1 table, formica top on steel base; and 4 glass ashtrays filled with cigarette butts. https://collections.britishart.yale.edu/vufind/Record/1669159
It does not look like a particular order must be respected for the paintings? The Tate Modern had a different sequence for the paintings in 2012: http://www.damienhirst.com/in-and-out-of-love-butterfly
Regardless, it might be useful to document the particulars of each new installation for the piece.
Oh, and it is itself only half of the original overall installation (see curator's comment in https://collections.britishart.yale.edu/vufind/Record/1669159).
Bonus question: would we want to model the piece down to the individual cigarette butts?
@workergnome @SamiNorling @beaudet @danieltbrennan (not sure of Kevin Page's Github ID)
This is an issue to which we can attach our ideas or items for use in a showcase example. I'm hoping y'all have ideas about what would be interesting/exciting to curatorial staff, because I live in a central office here at SI, not any of the museums that might be expected to hold good examples, and I am no domain expert!
Wow, @edgartdata, that was fast, thank you!
@edgartdata, from conversation this morning, I was thinking that we want an example that shows connection across institutions (federation, as @workergnome put it). I honestly don't know enough about Damien Hirst (or contemporary art, generally) to know whether we'll have a good chance at finding those connections. What do you think?
I agree that focusing in on the parts of the Linked Art model that offer the most interesting opportunities for highlighting links between institutions' collections, creators, exhibitions, etc. would serve us the best in demonstrating the utility and value of linked data for art collections. Though we discussed it in detail today, I don't know if complicated partitioned artworks would fit this bill.
What first comes to my mind as something that could be explored (and that I know our collections managers and curators would be intrigued by) are:
Those three ideas are the first that come to mind, but there's many more opportunities for exploration across collections that the Linked Art model will open up in the future...
I would think that the issues raised by contemporary art installations with many parts would be both relevant to several institutions and bears some similarities to more traditional use cases, such as the panels and predella of a triptych being detached and/or dispersed across several locations at one museum or across several institutions. But I will keep thinking of other use cases.
@edgartdata They very well may be; I'm coming to think that we eventually want a suite of nice examples for various audiences/purposes.
@SamiNorling I agree that those commonalities would make for good cross-institution linking. With respect to your third idea (and pardoning my ignorance of the domain), do you know of institutions that have accomplished reconciliation against ULAN, or is that something we could just do "manually" for an example?
@edgartdata Your mention of detached and dispersed groups of items is definitely a good lead - hadn't thought of that aspect of partitioned pieces.
It brings to mind the separation of the frescoes from the Hermitage of San Baudelio de Berlanga. We have two of the frescoes in our collection, and I know of other frescoes that are in the collections of the Cincinnati Art Museum, The Met, BMFA, and Museo del Prado.
@ajs6f The partners of the American Art Collaborative had some ULAN reconciliation completed, and we still have that data linking our artist identifiers with ULAN identifiers, where available. Multiple AAC partners either already had identifiers in their CMS or added them once they had the data back. We also document this in our CMS to some extent, though I'm hoping to do a lot more. I use OpenRefine in my bulk reconciliation efforts.
For this demonstration, I think we could definitely handle small scale reconciliation if it's not already completed. The local example I have used for the benefits of linked data and taking the time to reconcile with external authorities is William Merritt Chase, who was the teacher of Georgia O'Keeffe - both artists that are represented in our collection, but that relationship is not catalogued in our CMS (and really, it wouldn't be practical for us to catalogue that detailed of information at any sort of scale). So reconciling with ULAN across all of our creators, and publishing that data as linked data then adds our collections to the full web of relationships that ULAN captures. That example has gotten a positive response internally as an argument for linked data and/or reconciliation work, depending on what I'm advocating for at the time.
Still thinking about this a bit but I really like that frescoes example @SamiNorling. In that vein we have a substantial number of objects (mosaics, fragments, etc) that were excavated from Antioch and then dispersed to different institutions.
https://artmuseum.princeton.edu/collections/objects/29551 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antioch_mosaics
Potentially an interesting case since (at least for ours, but I would imagine for the other institutions as well) their history and movements are pretty well-documented.
@danieltbrennan Do you think we could ask those institutions to collaborate with us, or were you thinking that we would ourselves use whatever information we could get from each and build up a Linked.Art description ourselves?
@ajs6f good question, I was more thinking the latter - that's a lot to ask from institutions that may not have the bandwidth for it (although some may be game).
Something I'd float as reasonable only because I know through past experience/projects that never came to fruition that there is pretty ample documentation around that set of works.
@danieltbrennan That makes sense. I would be interested in working on that. We could try coming up with a skeletal set of interlinked descriptions then enrich if we decide it's a good road to go down.
@SamiNorling Do you think that either the frescoes from the Hermitage of San Baudelio de Berlanga or @danieltbrennan 's Antioch examples would give us an opportunity to show the "ULAN effect" wherein reconciling some metadata and connecting it to some "external" graph offers actual new knowledge?
Here our Antioch mosaic: http://www.getty.edu/art/collection/objects/6539/unknown-maker-mosaic-floor-with-animals-7-roman-about-ad-400/
:)
Excellent, so the Antioch example might already have two Linked.Art institutions! I'll offer this idea for review on the next call, but I already think the Antioch example is promising.
@edgartdata would you be interested in working up the Damien Hirst example with me?
@ajs6f Not sure either of these object groups would show the benefits of reconciliation and linked data that I mentioned, but I think they are both strong examples to demonstrate the provenance portions of the LA model.
I think what I outlined with ULAN reconciliation could be an interesting demonstration of the value of linked data. It's not as model-heavy as the possibilities we've discussed, since it would place more of an emphasis on the importance of reconciliation with controlled terms/entities when creating and publishing linked data. Still, an important piece to demonstrate, and could provide a compelling argument for linked data from an art historical perspective. Just thinking of our curatorial staff, I think they'd see a lot of value in the sort of inferences that can be made about our collection when we just link to other data with a much broader scope than our current cataloging practices.
I'll look into this more, but am also happy to contribute the frescoes data and try to work with other institutions' data that may have one or multiple of the frescoes as well. I imagine that among our group, we'd have contacts at other holding institutions (Cincinnati, BMFA, The Met, etc.).
Okay, I'm hearing (at least) three good examples, of different kinds, each showing a different aspect of our project:
@SamiNorling, do you have a concrete example in mind for 3, or would you rather pick an interesting artist (perhaps someone, as you mentioned, for whom we could get some curatorial interest) and see what we all have when we put our resources together? Of course we don't have to actually reconcile our data against ULAN to do this; we can "can" an example by choosing an artist and manually selecting records for use therewith.
@ajs6f Sorry for the delayed response - was on vacation last week :)
I think both of those approaches would lead to interesting examples, and I would suggest a sort of hybrid approach to this example. We could easily select an artist as the focus, and then look out to their network as captured in ULAN to pick a handful of other artists/organizations/other entities that the focal artist is somehow related to. With that network in mind, and with an artist that is represented in multiple collections, we can collect sample object data for that specific artist and those entities in their network. Then I think we would end up with a data set that we could explore in multiple ways: through the relationships and spheres of influence or just in analyzing the data in aggregate.
To get the conversation going on potential artists to feature/include, I thought about our collection and looked in ULAN for relationships (this way, if nobody else is able to contribute data, I will at least be able to demonstrate with our collection -- but that being said, if any other institution likes this approach and has stronger examples, I hope they add the ideas here!)...
Idea 1 Focal Artist: William Merrit Chase (http://vocab.getty.edu/page/ulan/500115356) Relationships:
I'll keep investigating other options, but wanted to get this first network out there as an option, and to get feedback on this approach.
Kerameikos.org is going to transition to using Linked Art compliant CRM, or at least harvest Linked Art JSON-LD and perform a light transformation to include several properties that Greek pottery scholars rely on for query.
At the moment, the vase data are encoded in a simplified CRM model that uses some dcterms (for title, identifier) for expediency. The prototype includes vases from several collections. The data model is the same across all organizations, but the Getty vases use the Getty vocabularies and the British Museum vases use the British Museum vocabulary URIs. By reconciling Kerameikos.org concept URIs to the Getty, BM, and other external vocabulary systems (Pleiades for places, Wikidata, etc.), we are able to show / query aggregated data by means of using skos:exactMatch for inference (with union SPARQL queries, not an inference add-on activated in the SPARQL software [Fuseki]).
E.g., http://kerameikos.org/id/eucharides_painter, which shows vases painted by this artist from both the Getty and BM.
http://kerameikos.org/id/berlin_painter includes vases from Harvard Art Museums with IIIF service references embedded according to the Europeana Data Model spec. When we transition to Linked Art, the IIIF service metadata will be encoded according to the Linked Art spec. Nomisma.org will continue to implement the EDM spec (edm:WebResource, etc.).
Hello - I have been on the call for the past weeks. I have a tool for adding linked data triples to images and then sharing and publishing that data and those triples in rdfa and in JSON-LD. It is an application, designed such that the subject URI can be any valid URI -- in other words, I did not copy the image shown here from the V&A museum, but instead simply used the URI of their image as the subject URI - you can note this in the triples. If you have an extension in your browser (like the Data Sniffer) tool, OR you can look at the source of this file and you can see the linked data triples I added to this example - which was one of the cabinets used as an example by the V&A museum: http://imgsnp.co/jy5e0 --- in this particular case, we are using a lightweight vocabulary of terms to relate the keyword to the image, however each keyword can come from the CRM or the AAT or any other vocabulary. This particular example also uses RDFa in the source. Up until recently, we had been including JSON-LD only for the images when they are published on a web page. However, I will be adding JSON-LD to the source of every image in the next few weeks. I have oIther examples I can provide as well and I can provide the login such that people can experiment with adding triples to the images of their choice. In this way - the app functions as an experimental platform to add the triples to see how linked data actually works on the web.
here is another example from the met open access images: http://imgsnp.co/k5lq4 --- in which I have added the man-made object term using the CRM and used the met accession number as an identifier. This is an experimental platform and I would love the opportunity to demo the work as it directly relates to the idea of attempting to build a shared linked art model.
This screen shot shows an image from the Met in the triple editor -- which allows users to build triples with relative ease. This interface is organized around our small ontology of properties, however - it can be used openly with any linked data terms.
This image shows the selection of a term from the CRM ontology which is just one of the datasets available for looking up linked data terms - again, with relative ease.
This shows the subscription of various linked datasets. Addtionally, there is a way to build a custom dataset.
this example shows the use of a completely independent extension made by Open Link Software that shows how the applied linked data metadata can be followed to the AAT or Wikidata or any other chosen linked dataset.
and finally - here is a different example from the V&A Museum - the example of the tuning forks in the case. NOTE --- additionally, we have all inference implemented in ImageSnippets for AAT, DBpedia and Wikidata. Which means you can search for superclasses -- such as 'sound device' in the interface and see how the actual class inference works with linked data.
and finally - this is an example of an image from Wikimedia which shows the same data expressed as json-ld
Dropping a note here mid-discussion on other possibilities for the artist-network (ULAN) example, I'm reminded that 20th century photography is particularly rich in well-documented figures/relationships - so that might be another area in which to look for examples.
I'm reminded of this (pre-linked data) project:
https://www.moma.org/interactives/objectphoto/#connections?dateBegin=1900&dateEnd=1950
Now I'm idly wondering if anyone has done anything to visualize the enormous number of relationships in ULAN… It might be possible to find a particularly good "target" by finding someone with really interesting connections. Hm…
I don't believe relationships of this nature are even encoded in the ULAN, which is why there are various stand-alone SNA projects connected to ULAN entities, but these relationships were created outside of the ULAN's own LOD structure. There's more relationship modeling at a large scale in https://snaccooperative.org/
Hi, @ewg118, we can say that such links are encoded in ULAN at least some of the time. Consider Georgia O'Keefe's record, which shows her (typed) relationships to Alfred Stieglitz, Charles Demuth, William Merritt Chase and others. I don't know how widespread such links are, but we can certainly find out. @azaroth42, @workergnome, others… thoughts about how normal it is for ULAN to record person-to-person relationships?
SNAC is certainly something we can and should look at to find links, but I'm not sure we would do well to draw our "showcase" examples from it. I wouldn't say it's necessarily something that curators or collection managers in art museums are going to be familiar with.
@ajs6f You're right about the relationships. I've never come across it before because it seems to be unusual. I put together a query that would extract all of the people that have relationships with other people. There are 1800 total relationships expressed between over 400 people. You can try the SPARQL query here: https://gist.github.com/ewg118/2710396a1a7136a5d4e59a07d18da270
SNAC probably isn't a good showcase example yet because there aren't a lot of cultural heritage materials aggregated into the system. However, there are some art museums working on inserting updated biographical or relationship information into it. I think MOMA is, and the Fitzwilliam is exploring this as well. But SNAC is one example that is putting a lot of resources into mapping relationships between entities at a larger scale than most of the DH/prosopography projects operating within a more narrowly-defined academic area.
@ajs6f @ewg118 The results of that query definitely don't include all relationships between two person entities in ULAN. Seems to be the results are only individuals that are rulers of some kind. Something about the path to the prefLabel in English was limiting the return. I simplified the ?personName and ?otherPersonName to populate with skos:prefLabel (no filter for language) and the total number of triples is 118,818 which could be halved for a more accurate total (59,409) because it looks like relationships are expressed in two ways: generally with a simple skos:related statement, as well as with a more descriptive predicate (e.g., gvp:ulan1102_student_of).
But just querying William Merritt Chase (keeping with the example), there are 83 unique relationships expressed in ULAN.
SELECT ?personName ?rel ?otherPersonName ?otherPerson WHERE { ulan:500115356 ?rel ?otherPerson ; skos:prefLabel ?personName . ?rel rdfs:subPropertyOf skos:related . ?otherPerson a gvp:PersonConcept; skos:prefLabel ?otherPersonName . }
Interesting. There's a lot of inconsistency in the way labels and definitions are modeled in the Getty's underlying RDF. I guess they established a skos:prefLabel through inferencing. It's not explicit in their underlying data. Labels could be located in an object URI defined by the property xl:prefLabel
or gvp:prefLabelGVP
, and if you go to the URI at the end of one of these properties, the literal label might be encapsulated in one of several possible properties.
The person-to-person relationships are pretty rich, actually, but @ewg118 is right that the current vocabs LOD relies really heavily on inferencing.
http://vocab.getty.edu/ontology has up a bunch of that information, with more documentation at http://vocab.getty.edu/doc/#Relationships_Table. You can also look at the sample queries at http://vocab.getty.edu/doc/queries/#Associative_Relations_of_Agent -- for example, for Duerer:
select * {
ulan:500115493 ?rel ?x.
?rel sesame:directSubPropertyOf skos:related.
?x gvp:prefLabelGVP/xl:literalForm ?name.
?x foaf:focus/gvp:biographyPreferred/schema:description ?bio.
optional {[
rdf:subject ulan:500115493;
rdf:predicate ?rel;
rdf:object ?x;
rdfs:comment ?comment]}}
If I understand correctly, we have access to the rich "social network" recorded in ULAN, although we may have to wax a bit clever in how we consume it. Sounds fine to me for the moment; we are building examples and not production systems, for the moment.
Who will make a good example? That's way, way out of my game. All I could say is that we want someone who will interest curators and who has a rich enough set of relationships recorded about them and a rich enough oeuvre as distributed amongst our institutions that we can create something interesting with their data.
When we did the AAC browse app, the single most well-represented individual was Georgia O'Keefe, who also has rich relationships in ULAN.
That's a big point for her. Certainly she is also a painter of wide public renown, although I'm not quite sure how important that would be right now to us. Is there any way we can get a quick sense of who amongst us has art by her in our collections? We have at least some stuff, although I would have to get help from curators here to be more useful than that.
It will come to no surprise that the YCBA doesn't. How about starting from an institution, such as the Royal Academy or others, that has many members over a long period of time? Using such a membership organization like that would be more likely to produce results across many of our collections.
@edgartdata That's a great idea! What do you think would be a good example institution-- the Royal Academy?
RA could be a good one. Chronicle250 has a handy index of 250 years of its exhibition catalogs: https://chronicle250.com/index/exhibitors Maybe the French Royal Academy of Painting and Sculpture? Here is a partial list of its members: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_Acad%C3%A9mie_Royale_de_Peinture_et_de_Sculpture
Asking how many of our institutions have Georgia O'Keeffe works won't give us a good measure of whether this example is worth pursuing, since ultimately we're casting a net for the "social network", starting with O'Keeffe (or whoever we go with) as the hub.
The evaluation should be about degrees of separation - which works in our collections have creators that can be connected to O'Keeffe in, for example, three or less degrees of separation?
From her ULAN record, her first degree network includes:
The second degree network would be an even larger list. This full picture is what we should be checking our collections for and seeing who can contribute data.
This approach will give us the same starting point that picking an institution would - a larger list of artists to consider - but with more varied connections between the links, as opposed to just all "members of". Though I would assume that starting with an organization would end up giving us artists who have a variety of relationship between each other, just from having the common organization to have connected them.
I love this idea! For what it's worth and for the record - I don't intend to turn all of my interactions in this group into an ImageSnippets infomercial - it's just happens that it is a framework I built for doing exactly what we are doing in a way - so it's like my child and perhaps I can get a bit too passionate and over eager to share it. I am also an artist and a pure research scientist far more interested in pure research in knowledge representation than I am in profit.
I think the Georgia O'Keefe example is an excellent because of all of the interrelationships with other artists, how do you intend to show those relationships with the linked art model?
Another interesting suggestion might be Matisse and Picasso ---big examples, yes - but not insurmountable, particularly where there are specific works known to have been influenced by the other.
Currently, I have a convention I have been using to relate works to each other or to other artists; but I am curious if there is already a convention that some of you use for inter-linking those relationships.
@SamiNorling makes a really good point-- it's about the relationship between artist and artist at least as much as the relationship between artist and art.
I guess one way to ask the question would be: do we want to try to present an example based on a single artist or on some organization? Which one would be easier to explain? Which one would be more attractive? (Maybe both to different audiences?)
At the current stage of our discussions, where the emphasis has been on describing the object, I'd prefer to stick with person / object, rather than person / person. For example, we have no vocabulary (nor agreement on ontology) for social network style relationships that would be needed to fully describe the relationships between people.
I'm not at all comfortable with that restriction, @azaroth42. For the audiences I have to engage here at SI, the difference between a vocabulary we own and some other vocabulary is totally uninteresting. They want to see why we should invest in Linked.Art at all, and I'm not sure in the absence of the ability to link beyond person / object that I can tell them why they should. We might be running into a distinction between examples that are useful for education and those that are useful for evangelism.
Can we get an agenda item for this on this week's call?
Note: I'm posting this comment before reading additional comments by @ajs6f and @azaroth42 posted as I was writing this...
@ajs6f I think both approaches could lead to a really interesting example - we're just at that hard part of picking one and going with it to see where it leads us. I think there'd be great interest in either.
To think through this a bit...an outline for the demonstration may include (but not be limited to):
Provide a simplified, brief overview of linked data principles (this is necessary IMO, based on my experience in demonstrating specific linked data projects - inevitably there are lots of higher level questions) - Getty ULAN data artist relationships has always been my go-to example for this, which is why we've focused in on this during the discussions - it doesn't really serve the Linked Art demo, but can lay the foundation for understanding "why linked data?".
Ultimately, we want to move past the general linked data overview to the meat of our demonstration, which is the Linked Art model. Key here is that the model provides a standard structure for publishing linked data about art on the web, which can be implemented by anybody, to make standard what is often represented in very different ways across institutions.
The payoff/ROI: What opportunities for analysis/exploration does a shared model for linked art data open up? This is where we would use the data gathered for our particular example. This could be data about artworks produced by artists within a specific social network, if we want to directly build off the foundational linked data overview (assuming we provide that overview, but not assuming that it has to be the ULAN example). The other option we've discussed is for this artwork data to be the works of art produced by individuals associated with an organization. Either way, we want to show some interesting things about the artworks when analyzed as whole, facilitated by the shared data standard.
Agenda wise - Certainly!
Perhaps we should clarify the intent of the discussion - is it to make a generic pitch for linked data being valuable, or is it to demonstrate why institutions should care about linked.art in particular? If the former, then any sort of distributed relationship pattern is fine, but my feeling is that pitch has been made over and over again, and people now want to see something tangible, not just be offered koolaid. If the latter, such that we can offer tangible, implementable solutions, then we shouldn't open ourselves up for the obvious criticism at this stage of "So how do you say that artist X is the grandmother of collector Y?"
Yes, that's the distinction I'm making between education and evangelism. At this point, I think at my institution there's basically no audience for education without some successful evangelism. No one wants to see Yet Another Interoperability Standard (TM) unless it offers clear benefits, and to be frank, I'm in that group too. If after all the work of AAC and all the additional work of smart folks at Getty, we can't actually offer an example of anything more sophisticated then a single artist and a single object…
I'm sympathetic to your point about how little we've done to understand interpersonal relationships. I just don't see why that would prevent us from presenting something that uses them, in howsoever a speculative form, to actually show why Linked.Art is interesting. To put it another way, to your point about opening ourselves up to criticism, how much longer can we wait to be able to say something as simple as "artist X was a student of artist Y"?
Now jumping in to respond to the recent comments by @ajs6f and @azaroth42 ...
To clarify: I did not anticipate person-to-person relationships to be part of the Linked Art spec (at least not in Phase I). It seemed that ULAN/relationships between artists could serve as a good starting point for narrowing down the artworks for which we would want to gather Linked Art JSON-LD examples, ideally from multiple institutions. E.g. - knowing that [these artists] had [these relationships] (student/teacher/student/teacher network, for example) - what are some commonalities about their works? - Shared materials/styles/techniques? Geographic distribution? Length of production process? etc. etc.
Let's let ULAN do what it already does (in this case, documenting relationships between entities), but how can those linked data relationships lead us to Linked Art representations of artworks that we can now analyze at scale because of consistent data. And how does that analysis add to our understandings of those artworks, their creators, and possibly, the impact of the relationships between those artists on their creative output?
As per discussion on this call we are going to assemble a "showcase" example for use on a call with curators and collections managers.