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coos:StatisticalOrganization and regional statistical offices #65

Open ChLaaboudi opened 2 years ago

ChLaaboudi commented 2 years ago

coos:StatisticalOrganization is now split into two sub-types: coos:InternationalAgency and coos:NationalStatisticalInstitute.

A third type for representing regional statistical institutes may be needed. Below few examples illustrating the use case: Germany:

Saarland Statistical Office Saxony-Anhalt Statistical Office Rhineland Palatinate Statistical Office Denmark Statistics Faroe Islands Belgium Flemish Statistical Authority (Statistics Flanders)

FranckCo commented 2 years ago

(flagging for version 2) How would we call this? coos:RegionalStatisticalOffice?

DrJMunozMx commented 2 years ago

I believe that Regional Statistical Office is good, but maybe the term is context dependant, at INEGI call on that way the geographically dispersed offices that are part of the Institution. I don't know if other NSO or International Organisation call their dispersed offices in the same way.

JALinnerud commented 2 years ago

Might (or might not) be worth glancing at these categories in Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_and_international_statistical_services. Interesting that they have avoided using statistical office/institute/institution/organisation/organization at the top level preferring to use statistical services.

InKyungChoi commented 2 years ago

Another question related to organization: Why "organization", then "institute" and "agency", and now "office"? Perhaps we need to harmonize image

ChLaaboudi commented 2 years ago

Besides National Statistical Institutes, we have also national (governmental) agencies/bodies .

egreising commented 2 years ago

I would call it "Official Statistics Producer", and for sure that tehre are more than just NSI and International Agencies under it. There are Central Banks, ministries, Planning departments, etc., that produce key official statistics, so this level needs to be wider. The sub-types coos:InternationalAgency and coos:NationalStatisticalInstitute are not enough.

I'm not sure whether we should consider further down-hierarchies, since this could be very country-specific. Eventually we can identify a "coos:Sub-nationalOrganization" and/or "coos:DelegateOrganization" or "coos:SubordinateOrganization" (these last two thinking of the case of ASTAT e Istat, for example)

ChLaaboudi commented 2 years ago

May be there is no need to add new classes for down-hierarchies (sub-organisations). Couldn't we reuse org:OrganizationalUnit with its properties or sub-property

FranckCo commented 2 years ago

I would call it "Official Statistics Producer", and for sure that tehre are more than just NSI and International Agencies under it. There are Central Banks, ministries, Planning departments, etc., that produce key official statistics, so this level needs to be wider. The sub-types coos:InternationalAgency and coos:NationalStatisticalInstitute are not enough.

@egreising Are you proposing to rename StatisticalOrganization or to add a new class?

I'm not sure whether we should consider further down-hierarchies, since this could be very country-specific. Eventually we can identify a "coos:Sub-nationalOrganization" and/or "coos:DelegateOrganization" or "coos:SubordinateOrganization" (these last two thinking of the case of ASTAT e Istat, for example)

Regarding hierarchies, we can indeed use the properties defined in ORG.

egreising commented 1 year ago

@FranckCo I propose to use "OfficialStatisticsProducer" instead of "NationalStatisticalInstitute" Sub-type. "InternationalAgency" can remain, I think.

For the down-hierarchies it's ok to use the properties defined in ORG as you suggests.

egreising commented 1 year ago

If the idea is to completely "align" both sub-types we may have something like "NationalStatisticalProducer" and "InternationalStatisticalCompiler". These would cover not only official statistics but also private sector producers, and for the international field, the term would be more precise than just "InternationalAgency", and would include producers of global statistics and also those agencies collecting national data.

InKyungChoi commented 1 year ago

@egreising is your final proposal this? image

Re-"compiler": wouldn't it be enough to just say "international organization", it is under coos namespace, so we understand it as an international organization that plays some role in the context of official statistics. Not sure if we want to specify it as "compiler". Besides, I think for some surveys, role of international organizations can be argued to be more than "compiler" (e.g., UNICEF MICS).

InKyungChoi commented 1 year ago

I know this is an old argument, but can we use "Other National Organization"? image