Closed lionkm closed 10 years ago
clefebvre
commented
10 years ago Try Init and SuperInit.
I won't answer your rethoric questions or comment on your overly dramatic opinions. You're very welcome to run a different DM if you feel aggravated by MDM's mere existence.
lionkm
commented
10 years ago Overly dramatic? Linux is struggling because
everyone is doing their "own thing", so that only someone who is
"computer literate" can get it working properly and keep it
working. Because I once ran a Xenix system, and have programmed at
the machine level, I'm not afraid of computers, the Windows registry
or the command line. But if I had been an average user, my
experience with installing Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Ubuntu, Kubuntu and
Mint KDE (Petra) would have made me conclude that Linux developers
don't know what is important for a computer to be usable for real
work by real people. I am not aggravated by mdm's existence but by
the existence of so many display managers that don't work properly
(mdm included). What would you think of an automobile dealer that
offered you a car that looks really cool (eye candy), had a huge
engine, but always had to jump-started? If Linux developers don't
learn to work together, its huge potential will never be realized.
It looks like all the Linux flavors are only trying to compete with
MS on eye candy.On 06/18/2014 03:34 PM, Clement
Lefebvre wrote:
Try Init and SuperInit.
I won't answer your rethoric questions or comment on your
overly dramatic opinions. You're very welcome to run a different
DM if you feel aggravated by MDM's mere existence.
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it on GitHub.I'm sorry, I'm not interested in this argument. If you want to make people who want different things work together, bypass their conflicting visions and achieve nothing, hire them and force them to work on something they dislike. I'm sure you'll get results short-term.
There aren't that many DMs out there, and most of them are either tied to particular distros or particular DEs. MDM is for that reason very important to us. If you think we're in this just for the fancy HTML5 animations you're very mistaken.
lionkm
commented
10 years ago I'm not arguing, I'm just trying to get you to
understand that if MDM (or anything else) is really
important to you, you should make sure it does everything it needs
to do, simply and reliably, without any add-ons or distribution
specific libraries or configurations, and users will make all the
others obsolete by not using them. If everyone in Linuxland insists
on "reinventing the wheel", none of you will ever catch up to MS
for/with the average user. Like a country with 500 political
parties, Linux progresses at a crawl because it is entrenched in a
past perceived glory and has no common goal.
American automakers' attachment to their philosophy of getting ahead
through massive waste by planned obsolescence was a gift to Japanese
automakers. Now MS is offering Linux the same gift, but Linux
apparently doesn't want to know. If the U.S. taxpayer hadn't bailed
them out, the U.S. would have one major automaker left. I remember
when there was no Mint or Ubuntu. If MS wakes up before Linux gets
its act together, Linux won't be bailed out. History tells us that
if you can't read the writing on its wall, you'll experience it
first hand. If you don't believe me, print this out, put it on a
wall or in a drawer, and see how far you've progressed in 20 or 30
years. I can hack and tweak, so I have Linux working with less
limitations than MS offers, but most people still don't; and the
people who could provide it don't seem to think its necessary. Sorry
to have bothered you.
On 06/19/2014 07:48 AM, Clement
Lefebvre wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm not interested in this argument. If you want to
make people who want different things work together, bypass
their conflicting visions and achieve nothing, hire them and
force them to work on something they dislike. I'm sure you'll
get results short-term.
There aren't that many DMs out there, and most of them are
either tied to particular distros or particular DEs. MDM is for
that reason very important to us. If you think we're in this
just for the fancy HTML5 animations you're very mistaken.
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Reply to this email directly or view
it on GitHub.
This is not a new issue, it's pointing out something the Mint community seems to be ignoring. Petra has 45 desktop effects to choose from, but can't do multiple monitors properly. Sure they can be configured with mdm...but only after login. It's bad enough that the login dialogue is replicated on multiple monitors, but monitors rotated 90 degrees present eye candy only a programmer could accept. Why did Mint choose to use mdm? At least with kdm, the problem can be corrected with xrandr commands in Xsetup. Different for the sake of being different is no better than change for the sake of change. Over 10 different versions of something as basic as a desktop manager, none of which can be configured without hacks/tweaks, will not get Linux converts.