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blTed002: What obligation do social media platforms have to the greater good? | Eli Pariser #535

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00:12 I was talking to a guy at a party in California 00:16 about tech platforms 00:17 and the problems they're creating in society. 00:21 And he said, "Man, if the CEOs just did more drugs 00:25 and went to Burning Man, 00:26 we wouldn't be in this mess." 00:28 (Laughter) 00:29 I said, "I'm not sure I agree with you." 00:33 For one thing, most of the CEOs have already been to Burning Man. 00:36 (Laughter) 00:37 But also, I'm just not sure that watching a bunch of half-naked people 00:40 run around and burn things 00:41 is really the inspiration they need right now. 00:44 (Laughter) 00:45 But I do agree that things are a mess. 00:49 And so, we're going to come back to this guy, 00:51 but let's talk about the mess. 00:53 Our climate's getting hotter and hotter. 00:55 It's getting harder and harder to tell truth from fiction. 00:58 And we've got this global migratory crisis. 01:01 And just at the moment when we really need new tools 01:04 and new ways of coming together as a society, 01:07 it feels like social media is kind of tearing at our civic fabric 01:11 and setting us against each other. 01:14 We've got viral misinformation on WhatsApp, 01:17 bullying on Instagram 01:19 and Russian hackers on Facebook. 01:22 And I think this conversation that we're having right now 01:25 about the harms that these platforms are creating 01:28 is so important. 01:30 But I also worry 01:32 that we could be letting a kind of good existential crisis in Silicon Valley 01:37 go to waste 01:38 if the bar for success is just that it's a little harder 01:41 for Macedonian teenagers to publish false news. 01:46 The big question, I think, is not just 01:48 what do we want platforms to stop doing, 01:51 but now that they've effectively taken control of our online public square, 01:56 what do we need from them for the greater good? 01:59 To me, this is one of the most important questions of our time. 02:05 What obligations do tech platforms have to us 02:08 in exchange for the power we let them hold over our discourse? 02:13 I think this question is so important, 02:15 because even if today’s platforms go away, 02:17 we need to answer this question 02:19 in order to be able to ensure that the new platforms that come back 02:22 are any better. 02:24 So for the last year, I've been working with Dr. Talia Stroud 02:27 at the University of Texas, Austin. 02:29 We've talked to sociologists and political scientists 02:32 and philosophers 02:33 to try to answer this question. 02:35 And at first we asked, 02:36 "If you were Twitter or Facebook and trying to rank content for democracy 02:41 rather than for ad clicks or engagement, 02:43 what might that look like?" 02:46 But then we realized, 02:47 this sort of suggests that this is an information problem 02:51 or a content problem. 02:53 And for us, the platform crisis is a people problem. 02:58 It's a problem about the emergent weird things that happen 03:01 when large groups of people get together. 03:04 And so we turned to another, older idea. 03:08 We asked, 03:09 "What happens when we think about platforms as spaces?" 03:13 We know from social psychology that spaces shape behavior. 03:17 You put the same group of people in a room like this, 03:21 and they're going to behave really differently 03:23 than in a room like this. 03:25 When researchers put softer furniture in classrooms, 03:28 participation rates rose by 42 percent. 03:32 And spaces even have political consequences. 03:36 When researchers looked at neighborhoods with parks 03:39 versus neighborhoods without, 03:41 after adjusting for socioeconomic factors, 03:43 they found that neighborhoods with parks had higher levels of social trust 03:47 and were better able to advocate for themselves politically. 03:51 So spaces shape behavior, 03:54 partly by the way they're designed 03:56 and partly by the way that they encode certain norms about how to behave. 04:02 We all know that there are some behaviors that are OK in a bar 04:06 that are not OK in a library, 04:08 and maybe vice versa. 04:10 And this gives us a little bit of a clue, 04:12 because there are online spaces 04:13 that encode these same kinds of behavioral norms. 04:18 So, for example, behavior on LinkedIn 04:21 seems pretty good. 04:23 Why? 04:24 Because it reads as a workplace. 04:26 And so people follow workplace norms. 04:29 You can even see it in the way they dress in their profile pictures. 04:33 (Laughter) 04:34 So if LinkedIn is a workplace, 04:37 what is Twitter like? 04:39 (Laughter) 04:40 Well, it's like a vast, cavernous expanse, 04:43 where there are people talking about sports, 04:45 arguing about politics, yelling at each other, flirting, 04:48 trying to get a job, 04:49 all in the same place, with no walls, no divisions, 04:52 and the owner gets paid more the louder the noise is. 04:55 (Laughter) 04:56 No wonder it's a mess. 04:58 And this raises another thing that become obvious 05:01 when we think about platforms in terms of physical space. 05:04 Good physical spaces are almost always structured. 05:08 They have rules. 05:11 Silicon Valley is built on this idea that unstructured space is conducive 05:17 for human behavior. 05:19 And I actually think there's a reason for this myopia 05:21 built into the location of Silicon Valley itself. 05:26 So, Michele Gelfand is a sociologist 05:29 who studies how norms vary across cultures. 05:31 And she watches how cultures like Japan -- which she calls "tight" -- 05:36 is very conformist, very rule-following, 05:38 and cultures like Brazil are very loose. 05:41 You can see this even in things like 05:43 how closely synchronized the clocks are on a city street. 05:47 So as you can see, the United States is one of the looser countries. 05:51 And the loosest state in the United States is, 05:55 you got it, California. 05:58 And Silicon Valley culture came out of the 1970s Californian counterculture. 06:04 So, just to recap: 06:05 the spaces that the world is living in 06:07 came out of the loosest culture in the loosest state 06:10 in one of the loosest countries in the world. 06:14 No wonder they undervalue structure. 06:17 And I think this really matters, because people need structure. 06:22 You may have heard this word "anomie." 06:24 It literally means "a lack of norms" in French. 06:27 It was coined by Émile Durkheim 06:29 to describe the vast, overwhelming feeling 06:33 that people have in spaces without norms. 06:37 Anomie has political consequences. 06:40 Because what Gelfand has found is that, when things are too loose, 06:45 people crave order and structure. 06:48 And that craving for order and structure correlates really strongly 06:52 with support for people like these guys. 06:55 (Laughter) 06:57 I don't think it's crazy to ask 06:59 if the structurelessness of online life is actually feeding anxiety 07:05 that's increasing a responsiveness to authoritarianism. 07:10 So how might platforms bring people together 07:14 in a way that creates meaning 07:15 and helps people understand each other? 07:18 And this brings me back to our friend from Burning Man. 07:22 Because listening to him, I realized: 07:24 it's not just that Burning Man isn't the solution -- 07:27 it's actually a perfect metaphor for the problem. 07:31 (Laughter) 07:32 You know, it's a great place to visit for a week, 07:34 this amazing art city, rising out of nowhere in the dust. 07:39 But you wouldn't want to live there. 07:41 (Laughter) 07:42 There's no running water, 07:44 there's no trash pickup. 07:45 At some point, the hallucinogens run out, 07:48 and you're stuck with a bunch of wealthy white guys 07:50 in the dust in the desert. 07:52 (Laughter) 07:53 Which, to me, is sometimes how social media feels in 2019. 07:57 (Laughter) 07:59 A great, fun, hallucinatory place to visit has become our home. 08:05 And so, 08:06 if we look at platforms through the lens of spaces, 08:09 we can then ask ourselves: 08:10 Who knows how to structure spaces for the public good? 08:16 And it turns out, this is a question 08:17 people have been thinking about for a long time about cities. 08:21 Cities were the original platforms. 08:24 Two-sided marketplace? 08:25 Check. 08:27 Place to keep up with old friends and distant relatives? 08:30 Check. 08:31 Vector for viral sharing? 08:33 Check. 08:35 In fact, cities have encountered 08:37 a lot of the same social and political challenges 08:40 that platforms are now encountering. 08:43 They've dealt with massive growth that overwhelmed existing communities 08:49 and the rise of new business models. 08:53 They've even had new, frictionless technologies 08:56 that promised to connect everyone together 08:59 and that instead deepened existing social and race divides. 09:05 But because of this history of decay and renewal 09:08 and segregation and integration, 09:10 cities are the source of some of our best ideas 09:13 about how to build functional, thriving communities. 09:18 Faced with a top-down, car-driven vision of city life, 09:22 pioneers like Jane Jacobs said, 09:24 let’s instead put human relationships at the center of urban design. 09:30 Jacobs and her fellow travelers like Holly Whyte, her editor, 09:33 were these really great observers of what actually happened on the street. 09:38 They watched: Where did people stop and talk? 09:42 When did neighbors become friends? 09:44 And they learned a lot. 09:46 For example, they noticed that successful public places 09:51 generally have three different ways that they structure behavior. 09:54 There's the built environment, 09:57 you know, that we're going to put a fountain here or a playground there. 10:01 But then, there's programming, 10:03 like, let's put a band at seven and get the kids out. 10:08 And there's this idea of mayors, 10:11 people who kind of take this informal ownership of a space 10:14 to keep it welcoming and clean. 10:17 All three of these things actually have analogues online. 10:21 But platforms mostly focus on code, 10:23 on what's physically possible in the space. 10:26 And they focus much less on these other two softer, social areas. 10:31 What are people doing there? 10:33 Who's taking responsibility for it? 10:36 So like Jane Jacobs did for cities, 10:39 Talia and I think we need a new design movement 10:42 for online space, 10:43 one that considers 10:45 not just "How do we build products that work for users or consumers?" 10:50 "How do we make something user-friendly?" 10:53 but "How do we make products that are public-friendly?" 10:58 Because we need products that don't serve individuals 11:01 at the expense of the social fabric on which we all depend. 11:06 And we need it urgently, 11:08 because political scientists tell us 11:10 that healthy democracies need healthy public spaces. 11:17 So, the public-friendly digital design movement that Talia and I imagine 11:21 asks this question: 11:22 What would this interaction be like if it was happening in physical space? 11:26 And it asks the reverse question: 11:28 What can we learn from good physical spaces 11:31 about how to structure behavior in the online world? 11:34 For example, I grew up in a small town in Maine, 11:37 and I went to a lot of those town hall meetings that you hear about. 11:41 And unlike the storybook version, they weren't always nice. 11:45 Like, people had big conflicts, big feelings ... 11:48 It was hard sometimes. 11:50 But because of the way that that space was structured, 11:52 we managed to land it OK. 11:55 How? 11:57 Well, here's one important piece. 12:00 The downcast glance, the dirty look, 12:02 the raised eyebrow, the cough ... 12:05 When people went on too long or lost the crowd, 12:09 they didn't get banned or blocked or hauled out by the police, 12:13 they just got this soft, negative social feedback. 12:16 And that was actually very powerful. 12:20 I think Facebook and Twitter could build this, 12:22 something like this. 12:27 (Laughter) 12:31 I think there are some other things that online spaces can learn 12:34 from offline spaces. 12:36 Holly Whyte observed that in healthy public spaces, 12:39 there are often many different places that afford different ways of relating. 12:43 So the picnic table where you have lunch with your family 12:48 may not be suited for the romantic walk with a partner 12:52 or the talk with some business colleagues. 12:55 And it's worth noting that in real space, 12:57 in none of these places are there big, visible public signs of engagement. 13:02 So digital designers could think about 13:05 what kind of conversations do we actually want to invite, 13:08 and how do we build specifically for those kinds of conversations. 13:13 Remember the park that we talked about that built social trust? 13:16 That didn't happen because people were having these big political arguments. 13:20 Most strangers don't actually even talk to each other 13:23 the first three or four or five times they see each other. 13:27 But when people, even very different people, 13:29 see each other a lot, 13:31 they develop familiarity, 13:32 and that creates the bedrock for relationships. 13:35 And I think, actually, you know, 13:39 maybe that early idea of cyberspace as kind of this bodiless meeting place 13:44 of pure minds and pure ideas 13:46 sent us off in the wrong direction. 13:48 Maybe what we need instead is to find a way to be in proximity, 13:52 mostly talking amongst ourselves, 13:54 but all sharing the same warm sun. 13:58 And finally: 13:59 healthy public spaces create a sense of ownership and equity. 14:04 And this is where the city metaphor becomes challenging. 14:07 Because, if Twitter is a city, 14:09 it's a city that's owned by just a few people 14:12 and optimized for financial return. 14:16 I think we really need digital environments 14:19 that we all actually have some real ownership of, 14:21 environments that respect the diversity of human existence 14:25 and that give us some say and some input into the process. 14:28 And I think we need this urgently. 14:30 Because Facebook right now -- 14:32 I sort of think of, like, 1970s New York. 14:35 (Laughter) 14:36 The public spaces are decaying, there's trash in the streets, 14:40 people are kind of, like, mentally and emotionally 14:42 warming themselves over burning garbage. 14:44 (Laughter) 14:46 And -- 14:48 (Applause) 14:53 And the natural response to this is to hole up in your apartment 14:56 or consider fleeing for the suburbs. 15:00 It doesn't surprise me 15:01 that people are giving up on the idea of online public spaces 15:05 the way that they've given up on cities over their history. 15:10 And sometimes -- I'll be honest -- 15:12 it feels to me like this whole project of, like, wiring up a civilization 15:16 and getting billions of people to come into contact with each other 15:19 is just impossible. 15:22 But modern cities tell us that it is possible 15:25 for millions of people who are really different, 15:27 sometimes living right on top of each other, 15:30 not just to not kill each other, 15:32 but to actually build things together, 15:34 find new experiences, 15:36 create beautiful, important infrastructure. 15:41 And we cannot give up on that promise. 15:45 If we want to solve the big, important problems in front of us, 15:50 we need better online public spaces. 15:53 We need digital urban planners, 15:56 new Jane Jacobses, 15:57 who are going to build the parks and park benches of the online world. 16:01 And we need digital, public-friendly architects, 16:05 who are going to build what Eric Klinenberg calls 16:07 "palaces for the people" -- libraries and museums and town halls. 16:12 And we need a transnational movement, 16:14 where these spaces can learn from each other, 16:17 just like cities have, 16:18 about everything from urban farming to public art to rapid transit. 16:25 Humanity moves forward 16:28 when we find new ways to rely on and understand and trust each other. 16:34 And we need this now more than ever. 16:38 If online digital spaces are going to be our new home, 16:42 let's make them a comfortable, beautiful place to live, 16:45 a place we all feel not just included 16:48 but actually some ownership of. 16:50 A place we get to know each other. 16:53 A place you'd actually want not just to visit 16:56 but to bring your kids. 16:59 Thank you. 17:00 (Applause)

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00:00 翻译人员: Yanyan Hong 校对人员: Yolanda Zhang 00:12 在加利佛尼亚的一个派对上, 我和一个伙计在谈论 00:16 科技平台, 00:17 以及它们在当今社会带来的问题。 00:21 他说:“兄弟,如果 CEO们都多磕点药, 00:25 然后去火人节转转, 00:26 我们就不会陷入这类麻烦了。” 00:28 (笑声) 00:29 我回道,“我不确定我是不是赞同你。” 00:33 除了大部分CEO 确实都曾去过火人节。 00:36 (笑声) 00:37 但同时,我不确定 看着一群半裸的人 00:40 四处乱跑,焚烧东西 00:41 真的可以给他们 带来现在所需的灵感。 00:44 (笑声) 00:45 但是我确实赞同 现在事情都是一团糟。 00:49 我们等会儿再回到这伙计身上, 00:51 我们先谈谈这团混乱。 00:53 我们的气候正日渐变暖, 00:55 真实和谎言变得难以辨别, 00:58 同时,我们还面对 全球性的移民危机, 01:01 就在我们正迫切需要新的工具, 01:04 以及团结新社会的方式时, 01:07 社交媒体的闯入有点 像是在撕裂我们的城市结构, 01:11 让我们互相攻击。 01:14 在WhatsApp上, 我们看到病毒似扩散的假消息, 01:17 Instagram上的网络欺凌, 01:19 还有脸书(Facebook)上的 俄罗斯黑客。 01:22 而且我认为我们现在 在进行的这场对话, 01:25 关于社交平台所带来的伤害 01:28 是非常必要的。 01:30 但我也担心 01:32 我们会使硅谷的善存危机 01:37 荒废掉, 01:38 如果成功的标准仅是 01:41 让马其顿青少年们 更难发布假新闻。 01:46 但我认为真正的问题不只是 01:48 我们想要社交平台停止做的事, 01:51 而是现在他们正有效地掌控着 我们的在线公共空间, 01:56 我们需要他们做什么 才能获得更大的公众利益? 01:59 对于我而言,这是我们时代 最重要的问题之一, 02:05 这些科技平台对于我们 有什么样的义务, 02:08 作为交换,我们赋予了 它们掌控我们讨论的力量? 02:13 我认为这个问题至关重要, 02:14 因为即使今天的 一些社交平台不在了, 02:17 我们仍然需要这个问题的答案, 02:19 以确保回归的新的平台 02:22 比原来的更好。 02:24 在去年,我一直在 同德克萨斯大学分校的 02:27 塔利亚·斯特劳德博士共事。 02:29 我们与很多社会学家、政治科学家 02:32 和哲学家探讨过, 02:33 就为了获得这个问题的答案。 02:35 起初我们试问, 02:36 “如果你是推特或脸书, 把推送内容以民主的方式 02:41 而非为了广告点击率 或关注度进行排序, 02:43 那会变得怎么样?” 02:46 但随后我们意识到, 02:47 这样的提议不过是信息问题, 02:51 或内容问题。 02:53 而对于我们而言, 平台面临的危机是“人”的问题, 02:58 此问题是当无数群人们聚在一起 03:01 奇怪的事情就会不断发生。 03:04 所以我们转而去思考 另一个相对陈旧的观点。 03:08 我们问, 03:09 “当我们把媒体平台设想成 空间时会发生什么?” 03:13 我们知道在社会心理学中 空间改变着社会行为。 03:17 当你把同一群人放到这样的房间, 03:21 他们的行为会和在这样的房间里 03:23 完全不同。 03:25 当研究员在教室里 放些柔软舒适的家具, 03:28 课堂参与度上升了 42%。 03:32 空间甚至会造成政治后果。 03:36 当研究员观察对比 那些紧邻公园的街区, 03:39 和没有公园的街区, 03:41 在调整了社会经济因素后, 03:43 他们发现那些带有公园的街区 社会信任度更高, 03:47 且更能在政治上为自己辩护。 03:51 所以,空间改变行为, 03:54 部分取决于它们的设计, 03:56 部分由于它们产生了 特定的行为准则。 04:02 我们都知道有些行为只适合在酒吧, 04:06 却不适合图书馆, 04:08 诸如此类。 04:10 这为我们提供了一些线索, 04:12 因为这些是在线的空间, 04:13 它们同样产生了类似的行为准则。 04:18 所以,比如大家在 领英(LinkedIn)上的行为 04:21 似乎还不错。 04:23 为什么? 04:24 因为它代表着工作场所, 04:26 所以人们跟随着工作场所的准则, 04:29 你甚至可以从他们头像的着装看出。 04:33 (笑声) 04:34 那么如果领英代表着工作场所, 04:37 推特相当于什么呢? 04:39 (笑声) 04:40 它像一个浩瀚的无底洞, 04:43 那里有人在讨论体育运动, 04:45 争论政治,互相对骂,调情, 04:48 努力找工作, 04:49 全部都混在一起, 没有墙,没有界限, 04:52 里面的吵闹声越大 所有者就赚得越多。 04:55 (笑声) 04:56 怪不得成了一团糟。 04:58 而当我们从物理空间的 角度考虑平台, 05:01 另一件事也变得显而易见了。 05:04 良好的物理空间 几乎总是结构化的, 05:08 它们有自己的规则。 05:11 硅谷建立在这样一个理念之上, 即非结构化空间有利于 05:17 人类行为。 05:19 我其实认为硅谷本身的位置 05:21 造成了这种缺乏远见的 理念是有原因的。 05:26 米歇尔·盖尔芬德 是一位社会学家, 05:29 他研究不同文化之间的规范 是如何变化的。 05:31 她观察日本的文化—— 她称之为“紧”—— 05:36 很循规蹈矩,很守规则, 05:38 而像巴西这样的文化则非常放松。 05:41 你甚至可以在一些 事情上看到这一点像 05:43 城市街道上的时钟同步得有多近。 05:47 所以,如你所见, 美国是比较宽松的国家之一。 05:51 而在美国最放松的州之一, 05:55 你猜到了,就是加州。 05:58 硅谷文化源于上世纪 70 年代 加州的反主流文化。 06:04 简单地概括下: 06:05 这个世界正处在的空间 06:07 来自于最宽松的州里 最宽松的文化, 06:10 还来自世界上最宽松的国家之一, 06:14 难怪他们低估了规则的重要性。 06:17 我觉得这很重要, 因为人们需要规则。 06:22 你或许听说过这个词“失范”。 06:24 在法语中,它的字面意思就是 “缺乏规范约束”, 06:27 是由埃米尔·杜克希姆率先提出, 06:29 用以描述当人们处于 毫无规范可言的空间时 06:33 一种广泛的、难以控制的感觉。 06:37 失范也有着政治后果, 06:40 因为盖尔芬德发现, 当一切都太松懈时, 06:45 人们会渴望秩序和体系。 06:48 而对秩序和体系的渴望与 06:52 对人们的支持息息相关, 就像这些家伙。 06:55 (笑声) 06:57 我觉得问这样的问题并不过分: 06:59 毫无规则的在线生活 是否正在加剧我们的不安, 07:05 进一步增加了 我们对独裁主义的反应? 07:10 那么这些平台是怎样 把人们聚集起来 07:14 从而创造价值, 07:15 以及帮助人们相互理解的? 07:18 这把我带回了 来自火人节的那位朋友, 07:22 因为他的话让我意识到: 07:24 火人节不但不是解决办法—— 07:27 它其实是对问题最好的隐喻。 07:31 (笑声) 07:32 那是去度过一周的完美去处, 07:34 这令人惊叹的艺术之城, 像是沙尘中诞生的奇迹, 07:39 但你不会想要住在那里。 07:41 (笑声) 07:42 那里没有自来水, 07:44 没有垃圾回收, 07:45 到某时,要是迷幻药用完了, 07:48 你会发现自己困在一堆 有钱的白人中,被沙漠中的 07:50 灰尘团团困住。 07:52 (笑声) 07:53 这对我来说,有时就像是 2019 年的社交媒体带给我的感受。 07:57 (笑声) 07:59 一个伟大的、有趣的,充满幻想 的地方已经成为我们的家。 08:05 所以, 08:06 如果当我们透过空间 看待这些平台, 08:09 我们可以试问自己: 08:10 谁知道如何为公众利益构建空间? 08:16 结果,这是一个 08:17 人们思考了很长时间的 关于城市的问题。 08:21 城市是最初的平台, 08:24 双边市场? 08:25 符合。 08:27 一个可以让老朋友 和远亲保持联系的地方? 08:30 符合。 08:31 病毒共享载体? 08:33 符合。 08:35 事实上,城市遇到了 08:37 很多同样的社会和政治挑战, 08:40 也正是现在的平台所碰到的。 08:43 他们已经处理了 淹没了现有社区的巨大增长, 08:49 以及不断兴起的新商业模式。 08:53 他们甚至有了新的无缝技术, 08:56 以保证让所有人保持联系, 08:59 这也反而加深了 现存的社会种族分裂。 09:05 但是因为这段 曾经衰落又再度兴起、 09:08 不断分裂又融合的历史, 09:10 城市给我们的一些 最好想法带来了灵感, 09:13 关于如何建立 功能性的、繁荣的社区。 09:18 面对着一个自上而下的、 汽车驱动的城市生活愿景, 09:22 像是简·雅各布斯这样的先驱说, 09:24 让我们把人际关系 置于城市设计的核心。 09:30 雅各布斯和她的旅伴, 比如她的编辑霍莉·怀特, 09:33 她们真的很善于观察 街上发生的事。 09:38 她们观察:人们在哪里停留交谈? 09:42 邻里之间是何时起成为了朋友? 09:44 从中她们学到了很多。 09:46 比如,他们注意到 成功的公共场所 09:51 通常都有三种不同的方式 来规范行为。 09:54 首先要有人造的环境, 09:57 我们会在这里放一个喷泉 或那里放一个嬉戏地。 10:01 其次,要有设定的程序, 10:03 比如 7 点有乐队表演, 把孩子们都请出去。 10:08 然后,还有关于市长的想法, 10:11 就是有人对这个空间 享有非正式的所有权, 10:14 为了确保它的欢迎度和整洁。 10:17 这三件事其实在网上 都有类似的概念。 10:21 但是平台主要关注代码, 10:23 关注在这个空间里, 在物理上可能存在的东西。 10:26 同时,他们很少关注 另外两个更温和的社会领域。 10:31 人们在那里做什么? 10:33 谁该为它负责? 10:36 就像简·雅各布斯为城市所做的, 10:39 塔利亚和我认为我们 需要为在线空间 10:42 设计一场新的改革运动, 10:43 它会不只考虑, 10:45 “我们如何为用户或消费者 创建可行的产品?“ 10:50 “我们该怎么样制造 便于用户使用的东西?” 10:53 但更要考虑“我们怎样 让产品面向所有公众?” 10:58 因为我们需要的产品不仅是为个人, 11:01 以牺牲我们赖以生存的 社会结构为代价。 11:06 我们迫切地需要它, 11:08 因为政治科学家告诉我们, 11:10 健康的民主国家 需要健康的公共空间。 11:17 所以,塔利亚和我想象的 公众友好的数字设计运动 11:21 问出了这样一个问题: 11:22 如果这种互动发生 在现实空间,会是什么样子? 11:26 它也反问我们: 11:28 我们可以从好的 现实空间中学到什么, 11:31 从而更好的管理在线世界? 11:34 例如,我在缅因州的 一个小镇上长大, 11:37 我参加过很多 你们听说的市政厅会议。 11:41 但并非如各位所听说的, 它们其实并不总是好的。 11:45 像是,人们总有大矛盾,情绪化…… 11:48 有时很难协调。 11:50 但是因为空间带给我们的限制, 11:52 让我们得以掌控,让一切顺利进行。 11:55 怎么做到的呢? 11:57 这是重点。 12:00 沮丧的眼神,怒目而视, 12:02 扬起的眉角,还有咳嗽声…… 12:05 当人们没完没了的说着, 或者迷失在喧嚣中, 12:09 他们不会被禁言或拉黑, 亦或是被警察拖出去, 12:13 他们只得到了类似 温和的负面社会反馈。 12:16 而这其实是相当有力的, 12:20 我认为脸书和推特可以 建立类似这样的机制。 12:22 就像这样。 12:27 (笑声) 12:31 我认为在线空间 还有很多其他东西可以 12:34 从线下空间学习的。 12:36 霍利·怀特观察到 在健康的公共场所, 12:39 通常不同的地方都会 为人们提供不同的社交方式。 12:43 你和家人共用午餐的野炊桌 12:48 可能不适合伴侣的浪漫散步, 12:52 或者和同事谈论商务事宜。 12:55 值得注意的是在现实空间, 12:57 这些地方中都没有一个 明显的公众参与的标识。 13:02 因此,数字设计师可以考虑 13:05 我们到底想邀请 进行什么样的谈话, 13:08 以及我们如何针对这些 对话创建相应的空间。 13:13 记得我之前谈到的那个 带来社会信任的公园吗? 13:16 那不是因为人们有这些 巨大的政治争论才出现的, 13:20 大多数陌生人在头三到五次见面, 13:23 甚至都没有与彼此交流过。 13:27 但是当人们,甚至是非常不同的人, 13:29 不断地见到彼此, 13:31 他们间会越来越熟悉, 13:32 而这就为关系打下了基石。 13:35 事实上,我认为 13:39 或许最初的网络空间 是为了打造纯心智和纯想法, 13:44 无需面对面的交流方式, 13:46 却把我们领向了错误的方向, 13:48 也许我们需要的是 找到一种接近的方式, 13:52 主要是与彼此交谈, 13:54 同时,又共享一个温暖之阳。 13:58 而最后: 13:59 健康的公共空间创造了 所有权和公平感, 14:04 这就是城市隐喻的挑战所在。 14:07 因为,如果推特是一座城市, 14:09 这座城的掌控权仅属于少数人, 14:12 为了财务利益而不断优化。 14:16 我觉得我们真正需要的电子环境 14:19 是在其中,我们每个人 都有一定的权力, 14:21 在这个环境中, 尊重彼此存在的多样性, 14:25 且赋予每个人以声音, 让每个人都能参与这个进程。 14:28 我相信这种多样性已经迫在眉睫, 14:30 因为现在的脸书—— 14:32 让我想到了上个世纪 70 年代的纽约。 14:35 (笑声) 14:36 公共场所正在腐烂, 街上尽是垃圾, 14:40 人们有点像是在精神上、情感上 14:42 通过焚烧垃圾来取暖。 14:44 (笑声) 14:46 而且—— 14:48 (掌声) 14:53 对此自然的反应是 躲在你的公寓里, 14:56 或者考虑逃往郊区。 15:00 很多人正在放弃 15:01 这个关于在线空间的想法, 就像历史上人们 15:05 放弃了自己的城市, 这一点我完全不感到惊讶。 15:10 而且有时——我很诚实地说—— 15:11 我感到整个项目 就像是在连接人类文明, 15:16 让数以亿计的人彼此联系, 15:19 简直就难以实现。 15:22 但是现代的城市 向我们证明了它有可能 15:25 让数百万不同的人们, 15:27 有时生活在彼此之上, 15:30 不去互相残杀, 15:32 而是去共同建立一切, 15:34 寻求新的体验, 15:36 创造美好的、不可或缺的设施。 15:41 我们不能放弃这样的承诺, 15:45 如果我们想要解决我们 眼前这巨大的、重要的问题, 15:50 我们需要更好的在线空间, 15:53 我们需要数字城市规划师, 15:56 新一代的简·雅各布斯, 15:57 那个能在网络世界 建造公园和长椅的人, 16:01 我们需要数字时代的公共建筑师, 16:05 他们可以建设 埃里克·克兰纳伯格称之为 16:07 “为人民而建的宫殿”—— 图书馆、博物馆和市政厅。 16:12 我们需要一个跨国运动, 16:14 使这些空间可以互相学习, 16:17 就像今天的城市, 16:18 从城市农业到 公共艺术,再到快速交通。 16:25 当我们能找到 16:28 新的依靠、相互理解 和信任时,人类就在进步。 16:34 此刻,我们对这一愿景 的需要胜过任何时候, 16:38 如果在线数字空间 将成为我们的新家, 16:42 让我们把它们打造成 一个舒适、美好的地方, 16:45 一个我们不仅能感到被接纳包容, 16:48 而且都有一定所有权的地方; 16:50 一个我们能互相了解彼此的地方; 16:53 一个你不仅想去,而且想要 16:56 带上孩子们去的地方。 16:59 谢谢大家。 17:00 (掌声)