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fig:onecue currently looks like:
fig:intxncues looks like
and fig:chilling ...
@lizzieinvancouver @AileneKane
Ailene and I met last week and have started working on this. Ailene is working on the code for figs 1-2, which we thought could be merged (new suggestions expected by the end of this week, beginning of next week).
For fig. 4, we both agreed it is already nice as it is but, as a suggestion, we thought the information could be displayed in a single panel. Here is a 1 panel draft of figure 4. Let us know any ideas or comments either to keep exploring 1-panel versions or stick to 3-panels.
@MoralesCastilla This looks great! I really like the change (feel free to change colors etc. as you see fit). Thank you and @AileneKane for working on this.
@MoralesCastilla Thank you for making it look so pretty! I was realizing that I think we should extend the chilling accumulation line below 1.4 degrees C (it currently stops abruptly there). It should be a horzontal line at 0 below 1.4 degrees (no chilling accumulates, based on the utah model). I can update the code to reflect this. Perhaps you want to add it in AI for this figure?
@AileneKane that makes a lot of sense. I've updated the figure to account for zero accumulation of chilling at lower temperatures.
@lizzieinvancouver @AileneKane Here's a first stab at fig 2, which would kind of incorporate fig 1 and scenarios when chilling decreases with warming. We thought this could simplify things a bit, but I think both Ailene and I would like some feedback and perhaps brainstorm on how to improve this one. Looking back at the original figure I realize perhaps the point was making something still more conceptual? I'm happy to tweak this version more: see it at https://github.com/lizzieinvancouver/ospree/blob/bbculdesac/docs/limitingcues/figures/intxnsims2021photoaltwithchill_2cols.png
@MoralesCastilla @AileneKane Thank you for this! I think it looks great and seems like it could work for Fig 1-2 (which I would like as they seem pretty overlapping).
I think one thing to clarify is whether the top row is photoperiod or just a 'second cue' that declines (that could be photoperiod or chilling)? Or a mix? I think a mix will be hard without some edits to the figure, but maybe not with a good caption.
The only other piece I see as confusing is that the linear cues are non-linear because we have forcing and the other cue shift TOGETHER. That's why the old figure had something on the x axis trying to show that with temperature you get a shift in forcing and another cue -- that creates the non-linearity.
One idea (not sure is this works) would be a fourth panel that is second from the left that shows the two responses when the cues are not coupler or such? Then the interactions will be linear. Or we could have as a top row with just one example of the far left panels (threshold versus linear)? Then the top is a 'second cue' linear vs. threshold example, plus a linear interaction example where one cue shifts alone ... then what you have but omit the left panel.
I think the photoperiod left panel should have less of the negative Y range (as it means budburst advances).
Thank you @lizzieinvancouver for these points (and @MoralesCastilla for your work on improving the figure)! I agree that it would be helpful to add a panel- perhaps that shows how each cue changes with warming to more explicitly show that we are showing the effect of two cues changing together. I will work on this- @lizzieinvancouver perhaps we can talk about this in our meeting today (Feb 23).
@lizzieinvancouver and @MoralesCastilla I gave a rough try at this here
@lizzieinvancouver and @MoralesCastilla I have updated this a bit- still needs work to make it look pretty!
@lizzieinvancouver @AileneKane here go a couple of tweaks to the figure. I was wondering if it would make sense to zoom in panel C to avoid the clumping of lines and labels. Other than that, I think this version tells a clearer story than the previous one.
@MoralesCastilla This looks amazing to me! Do you mean panel E? Ailene and I had discussed her changing where the threshold is, which I think would also help.
@lizzieinvancouver Ups, sure, I meant panel E. Changing the threshold would actually a better idea to keep the x-axis in the same scale across panels!
@MoralesCastilla I love how you've improved it! I will remake the figure with a different threshold and also add an example chilling line showing a decline in chilling to panel A.
ok @lizzieinvancouver and @MoralesCastilla I have modified the figure a bit by removing the units on the axes and changing the threshold. I also added a third chill line that shows a decline in chilling. We could consider showing chilling as a polygon showing the range between the lines, rather than as distinct lines. Let me know if you'd like me to change anything else! Last thing I plan to do is confirm that the interactions we use are reasonable (i.e. negative for forcing by photo, positive for forcing by chilling)
@AileneKane Looks good! I think a polygon for chilling would be more intuitive. It would be great if you can also note your methods clearly here or elsewhere (esp. on how you got the panel A trend lines).
Thank you both for working on this!
@lizzieinvancouver and @MoralesCastilla I've modified the conceptual figure to include a polygon here I've also tried to check that the magnitude of interactions we use in the simulations for this figure are reasonable but all the studies that I checked that have significant interactions between forcing and photoperiod or forcing and chilling do not report the actual effect, only the p-value. (This is likely because most treatments are categorical- e.g., high vs low photoperiod). I kept track of the papers I looked at here . From reading nonlinearities_intxns.R, I believe that the values we use are based on estimates from Flynn and Wolkovich 2018.
Here are my methods (Please let me know if more detail is needed or you'd like this elsewhere @lizzieinvancouver) We simulated budburst dates, using the following linear models:
Forcing only (e.g., bbforce <- interceptbb + feff*df$force); interceptbb set to 120
Forcing and photo or forcing and chilling main effects only, with linear responses of both cues (e.g., df$bbforcephoto <- interceptbb + feffdf$force + peffdf$photolinear)
Forcing and photo or forcing and chilling main effects only, with threshold responses for photo or chilling (e.g., df$bbforcephotohinge <- interceptbb + feffdf$force + peffdf$photohinge
Forcing and photo or forcing and chilling with main and interactive effects and linear responses of both cues (e.g., df$bbforcephotoint <- interceptbb + feffdf$force + peffdf$photolinear + fpeff(df$forcedf$photolinear)
Forcing and photo or forcing and chilling with main and interactive effects, with threshold responses for photo or chilling (e.g., df$bbforcephotohingeint <- interceptbb + feffdf$force + peffdf$photohinge + fpeff(df$forcedf$photohinge)
For models 4 and 5 we simulated data using both strong and week cues, and the resulting relationships are plotted in Panels B-E.
For Panel A, we show expected shifts in cues with warming:
Code located in nonlinearities_more.R
@AileneKane @lizzieinvancouver I have tweaked Ailene's figure keeping the polygon and new values. Let me know if you want to change anything else. See new version here
I think it looks great @MoralesCastilla ! Thank you!
@MoralesCastilla I also think it looks great! @AileneKane and @MoralesCastilla thank you both! Any edits on the current caption?
Interactions can produce nonlinearities, even in simple linear models if there are correlated shifts in cues. Much research focuses on how warming increases forcing (A), but it may also alter other cues (B), including photoperiod experienced near the time of the event, which is expected to shorten, and chilling, which may either increase or decrease. Shifts in forcing alongside shifts in a second cue (A) produce non-linearities due to the interaction between cues (C-F showing the effect of: forcing-only in yellow, both cues without an interaction in light blue, and both cues with an interaction in darker blue), with the overall change in budburst day predicted with warming dependent on the sign ($+/-$), strength (weak and strong), and shape of the second cue (showing two simple examples: linear in C-D and threshold E-F).
@lizzieinvancouver I think the caption is great!
@lizzieinvancouver me too, nothing to add/change
@AileneKane I started through some of the papers that have F x P interaction designs ...
Our countintxns.R code estimates 17 interactive p x f experiments ...
limitingcues/output/ospree_studyinxns.csv
I am not sure we need to do more, I just wanted to keep the notes here.
MS submitted, this is done for now, @AileneKane and @MoralesCastilla -- Thank you!
Hello! I desperately need help with some conceptual figures. Right now I have them as three separate ones, all in this folder ... I will also paste them below in a separate comment.
Could both of you work together to figure if we should include them and, if so, how? (Three figures, one big figure, two figures?). They are currently figures 1,2 and 4 in the main text and they are referenced in the sections 'How do phenological cues produce non-linear responses?' and 'How will chilling, forcing and photoperiod shift with climate change?' (pdf pages 4-6).
Once that is figured ... I thought: @AileneKane Could you work on the code to make them? It is all in nonlinearities_more.R and need someone thoughtful to fix it. @MoralesCastilla Could you help make these pretty?
Here's the relevant text though I think best just to read the PDF perhaps (section 1.1-1.2; starts at bottom of page 4, ends on page 7!
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