Nansen - Githubissues

jnptzl commented 2 years ago

We could buy a couple of perks with the DAO holdings of LOBS and ether from the secondary market sales.

Nansen:

Standard $149/m (personally I think this is the best option, it's also fun) VIP $1,490/m Alpha $3,000/m

Glassnode:

Advanced $29/m Professional $79/m Institutional: we could discuss our own terms

Others: list them below.

Currently we have around 1.2k owners. I think it's reasonable to expect we'll have more, but we are unlikely to get anywhere close to 6k. Once that is more clear, we can make a more definitive proposal. (My uneducated guess: we'll have around 2k and 3k holders)

Discount:

How much of a discount these platforms can give to us? 40%, 50%? We are valuable, influential, respectable and might end up being one of their biggest clients.

Payment:

50% in Lobs 50% in Ether should be an option. We incentivize them to be part of the community, and also offer some real $ not just commemorative jpegs.

We could use the average sell price of Lobs to price them.

Other option: communicate our interest and wait for their offer.

Terms:

I think a deal for 1 year would probably be the best for both parts. It would be supercool to have a lifetime deal, but why? On a long enough period, wagmi and won't need it. Also, other platforms might be more interesting then.

Feasibility:

Currently they are gated by email accounts. Someone would have to build a way to "whitelist" the address from holders - we shouldn't build anything, we are averse to making Ivan work. They might have to set up a "claim discount" page.

Pros

Not sure if it's unclear for anyone but:

These tools align perfectly with the goals of the community: they give you the best alpha.
Lobsters will signal even more strongly that you are well-informed decentralized finance expert.
Make you want to keep your commemorative lobster for longer.
Attract the attention of similar projects building for lobster-like people.

Cons

The only I can think of:

Opportunity cost of spending the beautiful Lobs and ether.

There's a lot to discuss, and I want to hear you. We can start a draft on hackmd if you want to jump to make it a LIP.

🦞 keep the groups clean of jpeg talk before ivan gets mad 🦞

BrokenPolygon commented 2 years ago

Please find here a script that can fetch current owners https://gist.github.com/BrokenPolygon/c5a80e4f0136a76bcb0b9565fda90b4d

(didn't check each corner case yet)

ekius commented 2 years ago

I think most of LOBs holders have sub already. No need for a discount cause they are necessary. If you have more than 6 LOBs and still don't have nansen, parsec, skew, glassnode 1year sub. NGMI.

jnptzl commented 2 years ago

I think most of LOBs holders have sub already.

Ivan himself doesn't have nansen, and you can see on the chats several requests like "send nansen graph screenshot pls". Maybe it's true that lots of lobster already have most of these subs, I would like to hear more comments like yours. Or maybe likes on your post.

If you have more than 6 LOBs and still don't have nansen, parsec, skew, glassnode 1year sub. NGMI.

That's my point as well. These tools really give you a substantial edge. Having the basic ones covered by holding your lobster NFT frees you up to sub other tools.

NerosBerg commented 2 years ago

IMO, the only way this can work is if Nansen and all the other services give them for free, because it's free publicity for them afterwards.

Spending LOBS for subscriptions will deplete the war chest quickly.

Edit: Spending on anything this early should have a better ROI than holding LOBS and LOBS are just getting started to appreciate.

drnicka commented 2 years ago

Nansen sub / discount for LOBS holders would be sweet. On brand for the DAO and a great example of access utility for NFTs, would be quite groundbreaking actually. Don't know how the deal would work, ball would be kinda in their court.

zhongfu commented 2 years ago

Please find here a script that can fetch current owners https://gist.github.com/BrokenPolygon/c5a80e4f0136a76bcb0b9565fda90b4d

@BrokenPolygon here's another that fetches from straight from the chain, in case opensea has stale caches or w/e https://gist.github.com/zhongfu/c494be2dd29549b747ca3b0740004aa6

zer0cache commented 2 years ago

hi, z from icy.tools here. would be open to provide a perk for LOB holders. One thing we can potentially do is provide a trial, discount to holders, or free access to premium for the month of X. open to ideas!

Ribssss commented 2 years ago

For Nansen, alpha membership is only possible upon acceptance by the team of our profile. One thing I would personally love is just the possibility to subscribe to the alpha membership, not for free, no discount, just being automatically accepted and allowed to pay if you hold one (or more) LOBS.

Amazongirl commented 2 years ago

I say negotiate for an Institutional account for alpha subscription, which all lobs nft holders can access. An institutional account usually covers a lot of users, so we may only need to sell a few nfts from dao treasury to buy the monthly subscription. Maybe even cheaper if pay for the whole year upfront.

NerosBerg commented 2 years ago

Trading LOBS (on the low floor before ETH goes to ATH) for a subscription that benefits everyone only individually is the definition of ngmi for a DAO. Everyone into NFTs should already pay for these services from their own pocket. Nansen Alpha membership just for holding a LOBS is good if possible, paying for subscriptions from treasury isn't imo.

cdschwartz commented 2 years ago

I don't think the DAO should be spending treasury funds/NFTs on this. I'm all for discussing a possible discount.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of getting free stuff, but I don't think we should spend limited resources on giving free stuff to the members. In my opinion focus should be on making the DAO more valuable, not trading the treasury for temporary gains to the individual members.

uniswalpha commented 2 years ago

I agree with @Amazongirl. One of the attractiveness of this DAO is that we are an alpha generating OG community so to have access to Nansen and likewise tools would be helpful (also incentivize further building of tools on top of these data). A possible discount is a good start but when the treasury is big enough then having an institutional account for Lobsters would make perfect sense. I see these perks as a legal way of increasing the floor price of our NFT without violating Opensea's rules and a nice way of distributing profit of DAO to members without legal complications such as dividends.

zer0cache commented 2 years ago

hi, z from icy.tools here. would be open to provide a perk for LOB holders. One thing we can potentially do is provide a trial, discount to holders, or free access to premium for the month of X. open to ideas!

hey -- so all Lobster holders now have access to icy.tools premium for the month of November.

tartakovsky commented 2 years ago

Here we wait for updates from @Amazongirl

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