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Port of Long War 2 to XCOM 2's War of the Chosen expansion
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Hit & Run not working for not cover taking enemies #920

Closed xauier closed 11 months ago

xauier commented 4 years ago

Shooting at MECs or any other thing which do not take cover, does not count for Hit&Run. From my point of view, the description (exposed targets) would include those enemies.

allenhu0912 commented 4 years ago

This is an intentional nerf because HnR was absurdly strong in LW1. It's not a bug.

ChrisTheThinMint commented 4 years ago

Its also related to how the definition of 'exposed' changed from XCOM 1 to XCOM 2.

In XCOM 1 all units could be exposed when not in cover, but certain units recieved a hardened bonus that negated the critical hit chance from being exposed. In XCOM 2 these kinds of units don't count as exposed in the first place, they are excluded from all cover and flanking crit chance checks.

As Pavonis ported Hit and Run from LW1 along with other perks, they made it consider the same rule. Apart from the technical side of things, I agree that Hit and Run would be too strong against units that dont take cover. MECs, Chryssalids, Berserkers and other similar units are already bullet sponges that easily die to concentrated fire. And I don't think the description needs changing, as the new exposed/flanked terms are already universal across all abilities that work in the same fashion (for example Hunter's Instinct).

xauier commented 4 years ago

Thanks for the quick response. I guess you're right with your explanation. But for someone without such an extensive history of XCOM, it is just not working according to the description of HnR. From my point of view, a MEC, drone or zombie are all "exposed" .. just because they are not taking cover...

It's a kind of weird discussion about the term definitions :) But anyway - a small hint within the skill description would be nice

Thx!

ChrisTheThinMint commented 4 years ago

I agree that it's a weird discussion. In my view a unit can't be "exposed" if it doesn't try to cover itself in the first place. But we can certainly clarify it a bit. I'll take a look at it in the next localization pass.

ghost commented 4 years ago

I have also been confused by this before I figured it out. On the UI, units that are considered exposed always have a yellow icon. So would it help if we add "(yellow target icon)" after the term "exposed"?

Facekast commented 4 years ago

And from my point of view, the Jedi are evil.

InterventoR commented 4 years ago

I was waiting for this comment.

xauier commented 4 years ago

One more thing, I just discovered. After taking a standard shot and gaining the HnR Action, it is not possible to activate Run&Gun.

I guess this is intended. But not documented - at least I cannot find it...

ChrisTheThinMint commented 4 years ago

It should be documented in the detailed info for Hit and Run, which you can bring up by pressing the small question mark button on the perk.

copyrite commented 11 months ago

Personally I'd only say flanked (without exposed). We can call this done, probably.