Fix Holy Sites and Faith Tweaks

[LT-Rascek]

I've been reviewing religions and holy sites as part of the landed titles overhaul (holy sites are listed as part of landed titles in CK2) along with some additional polish to religions.

• Core Tenet Ecstatic Prophecy overhauled to better match WtWSMS
• Christian Soiterology Doctrine Antinomianism overhauled to better match WtWSMS
• Melchisidecianism replaces pentarchy with gnosticism to match WtWSMS opinion modifiers; adoptionism and dynamic monarchianism also added as Christian doctrines for Melchisdecianism

@loup99 : The new holy sites are listed with their appropriate localizations, but I haven't made any determinations on holy site effects; I'll leave that to you as discussed previously.

@AvalonXD: I have some tweaks that might touch your implementations of Hellenic faiths (at the least). Is that going to be a problem or do you want an overview before I touch those religions?

[LT-Rascek]

Some Additional Questions:

• Should unreformed pagans all be lay clergy as per WtWSMS?

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Some other changes of note:

Christianity:

• Arianism uses Communion instead of Mendicant Preachers to reduce the risk of the AI swamping out Nicene Christinaity with the +33% conversion rate.
• Ecstatic Prophecy now makes other faiths look at you askance (-10 opinion of other faiths) and makes it easier to produce new faiths.

Mazdan:

• Arewordik is no longer Asavan as it was never formally embraced by the Persian hierarchy.

Judaism:

• Haymanot now has tenets communal identity, legal pronouncements, and monasticism instead of esotericism to better distinguish itself from other Jewish sects.
• Haymanot holy sites are jerusalem, sinai, semien, aksum (purported site of the Ark of the Covenant in Ethiopian Orthodoxy), and sanaa (purported site of the capital of Sheba) to give it a more afro-centric orientation.

Egyptian Paganism:

• Maat has been folded into Legalism tenet to reduce tenet count (descriptions are the same as tenet_maat was because of dynamic localization, but the icon is still fixed as a book; it should be possible to make it dynamic but I haven't made it work yet).
• Egyptian holy sites re-centered on Egypt proper.
• Monument Building tenet added for amazighism and kemetism. Still needs rune-raising type decision to be associated with it, though.

Semitic & Assyrian Paganism

• Semitic Paganism is properly warmonger now.
• Unrelenting Warfare Tenet for Assyrians to represent the war-centric aspects of the faith in WtWSMS; combines Unrelenting Faith with Warmonger, with an additional +4 martial and increased AI warfare behavior.

Other Pagans:

• New icons for Amazighism, Armazi, and Aquelian (based on symbols either in public domain or from wikipedia with CC license). For reference, this is probably as far as my artistic talent goes, besides doing some image sharpening/blurring filters.
• All berber faiths are unreformed to allow any of them to be reformed in the game (this differs from WtWSMS, where Gurzil, Anti were reformed but African Solar and Central African weren't).
• Armazi now has its own "Upland Isolation" tenet instead of using pastoral isolation.
• Celtic Paganism now has Human Sacrifice and Warmonger, along with equality doctrine as per WtWSMS. Also, Poet is a virtue for celtic pagans.
• Tengri use lay clergy now like WtWSMS.

===== TODOs (so I don't forget):

• Attempt to avoid using cultural names with religion names to avoid confusion and determinism in localization.

[loup99]

Should unreformed pagans all be lay clergy as per WtWSMS?

Well, unless you see any specific exceptions, that design was inherited from vanilla CK2.

All berber faiths are unreformed to allow any of them to be reformed in the game (this differs from WtWSMS, where Gurzil, Anti were reformed but African Solar and Central African weren't).

I think the reason for why Gurzil was pre-reformed is because it was already centred around one main deity. For Änti I don't know though.

Arianism uses Communion instead of Mendicant Preachers to reduce the risk of the AI swamping out Nicene Christinaity with the +33% conversion rate.

Ok, because there should be a threat but it shouldn't be that important, so that is better.

[LT-Rascek]

Well, unless you see any specific exceptions, that design was inherited from vanilla CK2.

Alright, reverted to theocratic_temporal clergy, except for semitic_pagan; I figure leaving them as lay_clergy better hints to the eventual evolution of Islam.

I think the reason for why Gurzil was pre-reformed is because it was already centred around one main deity. For Änti I don't know though.

Organization (at least to me) implies a degree of, well, organization. The type you'd find in Assyrian, Kemetic, or Greco-Hellenic Paganism instead of Gurzil, Amazighism, or most other paganism. The other reason to leave it not organized is having an organized variant in the religion means no other faith can become organized.

===== I've also started overhauling hellenism; kharis tenet has been removed and the patron deity mechanic is conformal with vanilla again. Unfortunately, there's too many deities in herkles initial implementation; we'd need to overhaul the event window widgets to make options scrollable. Not a big issue right now, but not really necessary right now. I've commented out a set to give most of the deities while still being readable.

Added Interpratio Romana tenet for classical hellenism; makes pagans astray (mutual) and eastern faiths astray (unilateral). Adds +10 popular opinion but doubles different faith popular opinion penalties (to try to model the issues of a hellenic ruling over abrahamics while having an easier time with pagans).

[loup99]

Alright, reverted to theocratic_temporal clergy, except for semitic_pagan; I figure leaving them as lay_clergy better hints to the eventual evolution of Islam.

Well, I don't see why it would be separated, the division between the temporal and the spiritual is largely a Western Christian distinction, so rulers should presumably be allowed to hold temple baronnies for those unreformed religions.

Organization (at least to me) implies a degree of, well, organization. The type you'd find in Assyrian, Kemetic, or Greco-Hellenic Paganism instead of Gurzil, Amazighism, or most other paganism. The other reason to leave it not organized is having an organized variant in the religion means no other faith can become organized.

Ok.

[LT-Rascek]

Well, I don't see why it would be separated, the division between the temporal and the spiritual is largely a Western Christian distinction, so rulers should presumably be allowed to hold temple baronnies for those unreformed religions.

Updated with 3485443.

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Noticeable changes:

• Germanic imagery updated with the Vulknut.
• Hellenic faiths are implemented, now including Mithraism
• Tani religions now all use the same holy sites and the localization is fixed up.
• Dynamic localization has reduced tenet count; maat and kharis are properly folded into vanilla tenets.
• Some new hellenic tenets raise tenet count again.
• Patron gods for hellenism now properly working if not using all available deities; event widget has to be fixed to make scrollable options to use all the deities @herkles added.
• Tenets for hellenic faiths are cleaned up; Philosophical Origins (working title) is used for what was literalism (in Stoicism, Pythagoreanism, and Platonism) and Dikaoiosyne for Legalism (in Stoicism)
• Cybelianism now has a special trait (like naked priests) making eunuchs a virtue. More work needs to be done to make their priests/zealous adherents choose to become eunuchs.
• Mastimani moved to berber religion; any references I find to it seem to point to it being a berber religion with hellenic features. It was given hellenic syncretism to match.

The new holy sites still require effects; I haven't written any for them. I'll leave that to you @loup99 .

At this point, I say its ready for review unless you want Islam to be given a new review; as I've focused on 476, I haven't touched anything in Islam yet.

[LT-Rascek]

Should we have the new holy site effects be part of this effort, or can we separate it out?

[loup99]

Should we have the new holy site effects be part of this effort, or can we separate it out?

As you prefer.

[LT-Rascek]

As you prefer.

Since it's not strictly required, I say it's unnecessary for merging.

[LT-Rascek]

Christianity

Spent a good bit of time re-reviewing Christianity to make it more conformal with WtWSMS:

• Highlighted in comments most of the ways I could see that Christian faiths deviate from WtWSMS for easier review.
• Christian faiths without a head of faith use aniconism as a "default" tenet instead of communion.
• Judaizers doctrine replaces Jewish syncretism tenet for Christian faiths, which resolves some long-standing problems in trying to make Ebionites have both Christian and Jewish traits.
• Judaic Role Demiurge doctrine makes you view Judaizers as evil.
• Audianism is no longer Judaizers because of the above; the only Judaic aspect really seemed to be the date of Easter, which was an issue with large parts of the Church (like Britain & Ireland) until standardization centuries later. Perhaps it should be a Christian doctrine as well; I'll reconsider after getting councils properly prototyped.
• Excommunication is now dynamically localized to Lapsi for Donatists.
• Rigorism brought in a few features from Legalism for better "Rigorist" feel, namely virtuous rulers have fewer factions and more succession support. The tenet may be useful for Kharijites as well.
• Iconoclasm tenet gets cheaper HWs; when holy wars casus belli get revamped, this should be narrowed to be only against iconic co-religionists. Probably giving iconclasts earlier HWs against non-Iconclast/non-aniconist co-religionists as well (like how Islam always has access to holy wars).
• Many more lay clergy Christian faiths in line with WtWSMS.
• Antinomianism (the faith) is monogamous, but uses polyamory as well, so you can cheat on your husband/wife without any negative opinion effects in addition to the typical antinomian features. Uses dynamic localization as well, as I didn't like how the default localization meshed with Christianity.
• Antinomianism has more restrictions on what tenets you can have to avoid situations like lustful being a -1 piety sin.
• Antinomianism, to simulate the asking forgiveness aspect, do not make gluttony and lust virtues, but instead make them sins with a 0 piety effect. Chaste likewise is a virtue with a 0 piety effect.
• Localization improvements all around.

Dualism

As a thought, since dualists are missing many features they'd have in WtWSMS due to lack of tenet slots, I could do the same sort of coding trick I did with Judaizers and give them all a "Gnostic" doctrine that would emulate the Gnostic tenet without using a Tenet slot; that'd be particularly useful to add the Priscilianist features from WtWSMS (like GHW and monks).

Thematically, I do like that idea, because I don't like the idea of a dualist faith without gnostic features.

Zoroastrianism

• Khurmazta now uses the patron god mechanic, like in WtWSMS.
• Zoroastrian faiths are now lay clergy like WtWSMS.
• I rewrote Mazdakism so the no concubines aspect is from my own reading; it was probably done to reduce the lack of wives for the poor.

[loup99]

• On Audianism, they separated because they thought the Church was too secular, ad their distinct traits were Anthropomorphism and the date of Easter. On this basis I agree with not giving them a similarity to Judaism, given that Judaism also rejects Anthropomorphism.
• The changes you made to the Ebionites make sense, emphasis on the similarities with Judaism and the ascetism.
• Ok on Antinomianism
• On tenets and doctrines, as long as it is balanced overall it poses no problems for me.

[loup99]

On the opinion modifiers in WtWSMS for religions, those were drawn from Lux Invicta and served to differentiate a major established religion with a small sect. The Communitarian (sectarian_light) aspect gave -10 general opinion, -20 infidel opinion and +20 same religion opinion. Sectarian (sectarian_heavy) gave -20 general opinion, -40 infidel opinion and +40 same religion opinion.

Then for conversion there were three categories, with one possessing a sub-category. Proselyte religions, which convert well but are vulnerable to conversion from within same religious group. Ancestral (unreformed Pagans), which does not convert well and does not resist conversion well, with the sub-category of offensive Ancestral religion which had access to conversion if their target's religion had a low moral authority. Finally Bastion of the Faith (Judaism etc and reformed Pagans), which are resistant to conversion but do not convert well.

Aren't the new interface possibilities and mechanics of CK3 an occasion to make these modifiers more integrated and visible?

[LT-Rascek]

On the opinion modifiers in WtWSMS for religions, those were drawn from Lux Invicta and served to differentiate a major established religion with a small sect. The Communitarian (sectarian_light) aspect gave -10 general opinion, -20 infidel opinion and +20 same religion opinion. Sectarian (sectarian_heavy) gave -20 general opinion, -40 infidel opinion and +40 same religion opinion. Then for conversion there were three categories, with one possessing a sub-category. Proselyte religions, which convert well but are vulnerable to conversion from within same religious group. Ancestral (unreformed Pagans), which does not convert well and does not resist conversion well, with the sub-category of offensive Ancestral religion which had access to conversion if their target's religion had a low moral authority. Finally Bastion of the Faith (Judaism etc and reformed Pagans), which are resistant to conversion but do not convert well. Aren't the new interface possibilities and mechanics of CK3 an occasion to make these modifiers more integrated and visible?

We could port them in, but I'm not certain they're well conformal with CK3's religion design. With the righetous/astray/hostile/evil relationship modifiers, the Lux Invicta work-around is probably not as necessary. I think we can reevaluate implementing them after some playtesting is done, at least that's my though.

===== 9a6d564 added special_doctrine_full_communion_christian for nicene and georgian orthodox to better represent relations between the two. full_communion views each other as righteous and ecumenical as astray, while ecumenicals view full communion as astray.

[LT-Rascek]

Minor Update:

• Merged BP_tenets and 00_core_tenets because splitting them between files broke the faith reform/creation screen (issues with selecting from core_tenets group).
• Moved Hepthalitism into Zunism religion as both Zunism and Hepthalitism are faiths of Hepthalite cultures. It still retains significant Zoroastrian flavor and uses Mazdan Syncretism instead of Eastern Syncretism.

[loup99]

• Moved Hepthalitism into Zunism religion as both Zunism and Hepthalitism are faiths of Hepthalite cultures. It still retains significant Zoroastrian flavor and uses Mazdan Syncretism instead of Eastern Syncretism.

I think it makes more sense to keep it inside the Zoroastrian religion and the Mazdan family. It has more in common with Zoroastrianism than Zunism.

[LT-Rascek]

I think it makes more sense to keep it inside the Zoroastrian religion and the Mazdan family. It has more in common with Zoroastrianism than Zunism.

We could keep them as a single religion and move them into the Mazdan family while leaving them with a pagan hostility doctrine. Or not. I'm not strongly wedded either way, but it's something to consider.

==== FYI, the 00_core_tenets.txt need to be a single file, or we have some serious issues with the way the faith_creation gui is coded, so I remerged the file.

[loup99]

I think it makes more sense to keep it inside the Zoroastrian religion and the Mazdan family. It has more in common with Zoroastrianism than Zunism.

We could keep them as a single religion and move them into the Mazdan family while leaving them with a pagan hostility doctrine. Or not. I'm not strongly wedded either way, but it's something to consider.

I don't know if they should be hostile to Pagans, they could be an independent religion or a part of the Mazdan group but grouping them with the Zunists doesn't make sense as opposed to the previous setup.

[LT-Rascek]

I don't know if they should be hostile to Pagans, they could be an independent religion or a part of the Mazdan group but grouping them with the Zunists doesn't make sense as opposed to the previous setup.

Alright I've revert those changes.

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I've implement a special "is_dualist_faith" doctrine for the dualist faiths to replace gnostic tenet for dualist faiths. This opens up a tenet slot to make major dualist faiths (priscillianism, valentinianism, sethianism, manichean) more in line with WtWSMS, and I've implemented tenets to meet those rules.

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Besides Islamic religions (which are beyond the alpha) and some more localization polish, I think this is ready for merging at your convenience.